GT VT Post Game

[Bogey]

You're underestimating how important momentum is in football. It could have definitely changed how the game played out.

Yep, that touchdown definitely put Momentum on their side. Mo is damn hard to beat, especially later in the game.

 

[stinger78]

They were up 7-6 at the time. We had not one, but two drives stall out, forcing us to settle for FG’s. Meanwhile, VT scored a TD, and now, two drives later, had had driven back down to our 25 yard line.

Perhaps a stop would have reversed the momentum, but we had zero at the time and were on our heels.

It would have changed the arc of the game, how it played out. But, had they kicked the FG instead, I don’t know how much mo would have shifted and the game outcome impacted. But who knows?

 

[THWG]

Perhaps. I would counter that you are overestimating any momentum that GT might have had in that game. I cannot remember any. Do you? If so, please describe. I missed it.

We had a couple of drives later in the game where we were in field goal range but had to go for it instead of kicking the ball (which I know is not guaranteed) but it could have been 14-12 with the stop. We also what should have been a fumble blown dead. That would have put us in field goal range too. We were not as far out of the game as you think we were. I know it's a lot of ifs but one play can change a game.

 

[stinger78]

We had a couple of drives later in the game where we were in field goal range but had to go for it instead of kicking the ball (which I know is not guaranteed) but it could have been 14-12 with the stop. We also what should have been a fumble blown dead. That would have put us in field goal range too. We were not as far out of the game as you think we were. I know it's a lot of ifs but one play can change a game.

I didn’t say, nor do I think, we were far out of the game. Our D played very well, but our O was very challenged and maintained almost no momentum. Therefore, I agree that the arc of the game, how it played out, would have changed, but doubt that we would have won the game. Still, would have been nice to know, right?

 

[bobongo]

I didn’t say, nor do I think, we were far out of the game. Our D played very well, but our O was very challenged and maintained almost no momentum. Therefore, I agree that the arc of the game, how it played out, would have changed, but doubt that we would have won the game. Still, would have been nice to know, right?

Indeedy, it would have been nice to know.

Thing is, we don't even know how thew arc of that series would have played out. Had VT thought they had to go 2 yards instead of one, they would have probably called a different play.
But it sure was nice (for VT) to have to go only one yard instead of two. In the way the universe works, any change produces a ripple that has untold ramifications...

Butterfly effect - Wikipedia

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In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions in which a small change in one state of a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences in a later state.

 

[stinger78]

Indeedy, it would have been nice to know.

Thing is, we don't even know how thew arc of that series would have played out. Had VT thought they had to go 2 yards instead of one, they would have probably called a different play.
But it sure was nice (for VT) to have to go only one yard instead of two. In the way the universe works, any change produces a ripple that has untold ramifications...

Butterfly effect - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions in which a small change in one state of a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences in a later state.

You’re talking complex systems. That was the focus of my doctoral research. Yes, we don’t know what amplifying or dampening feedback loops might have spun off, and how that might have changed the outcome. As you have said, nonlinear systems can be quite unpredictable.

One thing we do know is the GT offense, due to injuries, was not operating with any type of efficiency. I don’t see how that play changes that reality. But we don’t know.

 

[Root4GT]

They were up 7-6 at the time. We had not one, but two drives stall out, forcing us to settle for FG’s. Meanwhile, VT scored a TD, and now, two drives later, had had driven back down to our 25 yard line.

Perhaps a stop would have reversed the momentum, but we had zero at the time and were on our heels.

It would have changed the arc of the game, how it played out. But, had they kicked the FG instead, I don’t know how much mo would have shifted and the game outcome impacted. But who knows?

Offensively we were terrible most of the game. VT was clearly the better team last Saturday!

 

[Bogey]

Offensively we were terrible most of the game. VT was clearly the better team last Saturday!

Mainly because our starting QB played most of the game, at 40% healthy according to Quinlan. Whether it was 40% or 50%, or 60%, etc is immaterial. Something was definitely off from the way he played against ND.

 

[Root4GT]

Mainly because our starting QB played most of the game, at 40% healthy according to Quinlan. Whether it was 40% or 50%, or 60%, etc is immaterial. Something was definitely off from the way he played against ND.

Ok what about the ND Game. Same reason? The UNC game was the only game we put up significant points against a P4 team! Our offense simply has not been "Good" all season. Average is the best way to describe our offense when everyone is healthy.

Seems most on this Board are underestimating how good Miami's offense has been all season. They have been Great in a word!

 

[Bogey]

Ok what about the ND Game. Same reason? The UNC game was the only game we put up significant points against a P4 team! Our offense simply has not been "Good" all season. Average is the best way to describe our offense when everyone is healthy.

Seems most on this Board are underestimating how good Miami's offense has been all season. They have been Great in a word!

According to Quinlan, he wasn't fully healthy against ND either, and I question if King has been healthy all season. No question Miami's offense is elite, scary good. I think we both agree it will take the best game we have played all year to have a chance. But if we are healthy enough, it is doable in my opinion.

 

[Root4GT]

According to Quinlan, he wasn't fully healthy against ND either, and I question if King has been healthy all season. No question Miami's offense is elite, scary good. I think we both agree it will take the best game we have played all year to have a chance. But if we are healthy enough, it is doable in my opinion.

Being healthy, fully, is a very big if. Very few games so far this season. The injury bug has not been our friend.

Ward and their offense are scary good. Great challenge/opportunity for the defense. A real 4 man pass rush will need to generate constant pressure and hope Ward is very careless with the ball.

 

[SOWEGA Jacket]

Some of you talk about injuries as if they are the defining point of a season. It is up to the coaching staff to get the entire team ready. An entire season shouldn’t come down to 1 player out of 85.

The bottom line is we are in the midst of season with very little team progression. Yes, our defense has improved. That’s awesome and fun. But our offense and special teams have taken a step back. And the on field coaching has not improved at all.

Outside of the hope and butterfly dream of a special recruiting class what have we seen from the staff or players to believe 2025 will be any different? Last year we closed out strong which led to optimism. Right now, the GT football program can’t hang with Syracuse or Virginia Tech. That is concerning.

 

[Bogey]

Being healthy, fully, is a very big if. Very few games so far this season. The injury bug has not been our friend.

Ward and their offense are scary good. Great challenge/opportunity for the defense. A real 4 man pass rush will need to generate constant pressure and hope Ward is very careless with the ball.

What also bothers me about Mr. Ward is he is so agile when pressured, floats like a butterfly, very tough to coral.

 

[Randy Carson]

Outside of the hope and butterfly dream of a special recruiting class what have we seen from the staff or players to believe 2025 will be any different? Last year we closed out strong which led to optimism. Right now, the GT football program can’t hang with Syracuse or Virginia Tech. That is concerning.

And yet, there are five teams that we WERE able to "hang with" and more this season. Which is better than where we were just a few short years ago.

As for reasons to believe 2025 will be different:

1. We will be a year older and a year wiser. That goes for players and coaches.

2. We will have a fresh crop of talent to bolster our ranks. They may not turn things around overnight, but lots of schools would love to have our incoming class.

3. We will have a much easier schedule.

And, of course, we will continue to have the unending support of an optimistic fanbase which always maintains a cheerful, "can-do" attitude.

 

[cpf2001]

If you want a couple positives to consider:

* this year’s team hasn’t pulled any Bowling Greens; there was much fan wailing about GSU and it was drama-free
* last year the team struggled to get to 6 wins despite having very good injury luck.

The offensive regression and tales that it was intentional to be more ball-control/pro-like are a huge concern but the staff showed willingness to tinker there last offseason so hopefully they’ll un-tinker after seeing the results.

If the floor continues to be raised going into next year that is some good progress. Just need to get the ceiling back. Bright spots are there like Philo and Canion and Carrie, imo.

 

[Root4GT]

Some of you talk about injuries as if they are the defining point of a season. It is up to the coaching staff to get the entire team ready. An entire season shouldn’t come down to 1 player out of 85.

The bottom line is we are in the midst of season with very little team progression. Yes, our defense has improved. That’s awesome and fun. But our offense and special teams have taken a step back. And the on field coaching has not improved at all.

Outside of the hope and butterfly dream of a special recruiting class what have we seen from the staff or players to believe 2025 will be any different? Last year we closed out strong which led to optimism. Right now, the GT football program can’t hang with Syracuse or Virginia Tech. That is concerning.

We are a mid tier ACC Team. We were that last year as well. FSU is the only “Bad” P4 team we have played. Miami is clearly a better team than GT and we will need lock to win that game. NCST is a mid tier ACC team as well. Toss up game like almost all of our ACC Games have been.

The end of last year was a bit of fools gold. UGA held out several of their best players and won more handily than the final score. UC F was a very average at best.

More talent is needed across the board. The defense is better. They lack a true difference maker on the DL or at LB so they can’t generate consistent pressure on the opposing QB. That is talent not coaching or scheme. The run defense is massively improved. That is both scheme and coaching.

We are a few really good players away from climbing into the upper 1/3rd of the ACC.

Will we get there? That is clearly TBD.

 

[tmhunter52]

And yet, there are five teams that we WERE able to "hang with" and more this season. Which is better than where we were just a few short years ago.

As for reasons to believe 2025 will be different:

1. We will be a year older and a year wiser. That goes for players and coaches.

2. We will have a fresh crop of talent to bolster our ranks. They may not turn things around overnight, but lots of schools would love to have our incoming class.

3. We will have a much easier schedule.

And, of course, we will continue to have the unending support of an optimistic fanbase which always maintains a cheerful, "can-do" attitude.

Unfortunately, with the transfer portal for athletes and the poaching of coaches, now, more than ever, each year stands alone. The optimism of the “wait-til-next-year” mantra is less reliable. You can’t really count on year-to-year growth and progress when you never know who is coming and going. Successful programs will be defined by how well the staff maximizes the potential of their rosters each fall - whatever that roster looks like. That places an extra emphasis on coaches who can flush last year and “reinvent the wheel” every new year, demand and expect effort and discipline, build a team emphasis, quickly teach snd/or develop critical fundamentals, and exploit weaknesses each week in the opposition’s personnel matchups. If a team cannot match the talent level of its opponent, it better be more proficient at what it can do and how it plays the game, if it wants to win.

 

[Randy Carson]

Unfortunately, with the transfer portal for athletes and the poaching of coaches, now, more than ever, each year stands alone. The optimism of the “wait-til-next-year” mantra is less reliable. You can’t really count on year-to-year growth and progress when you never know who is coming and going. Successful programs will be defined by how well the staff maximizes the potential of their rosters each fall - whatever that roster looks like. That places an extra emphasis on coaches who can flush last year and “reinvent the wheel” every new year, demand and expect effort and discipline, build a team emphasis, quickly teach snd/or develop critical fundamentals, and exploit weaknesses each week in the opposition’s personnel matchups. If a team cannot match the talent level of its opponent, it better be more proficient at what it can do and how it plays the game, if it wants to win.

I agree to some extent; the transfer portal has changed everything.

I'm hanging my hat on the idea that kids are won over by the genuineness of CBK & Co. and want to stay and play for some good coaches at a great school.

Now, maybe I'm all wrong, but I just don't see a kid who is starting at Tech making the jump to...oh, I dunno...Nebraska (or Arizona State...or both) where he has to fight for playing time and possibly ends up riding the pine. Conversely, kids who ARE sitting at the SEC schools may want a chance to start for us and get some TV exposure, etc.

Yes, the portal giveth and the portal taketh away, but I think that we will have more top talent coming in than going out most years.

 

[awbuzz]

I think we’re making a mountain out of a molehill. Is it an issue? Absolutely. Should it be addressed strongly by the ACC? Surely.

However, we had our chance to stop that drive after the cheat, but we didn’t. We had half the game to score again, but we didn’t.

Might they have kicked the FG instead? Possibly. Then the way the game finishes out, it’s 17-6 instead of 21-6.

Was it wrong and does it need to be publicly addressed by the ACC? Yes. It is no reflection on GT though.

Just my $.02 worth.

+1

Long past the time to let it go. Complaining more isn't changing our won loss record at this time.

 

[awbuzz]

What also bothers me about Mr. Ward is he is so agile when pressured, floats like a butterfly, very tough to coral.

put him in some ocean shallow waters long enough and he might coral up.
(I know, you meant corral, and that is very true)