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Notre Dame will beat Army by 20
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Saving his red shirt by only playing in 4 games. Word was he was injured beginning of season.
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Not sure Army will fumble 6 times. I’d bet on Army if someone gave me 20.
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From what i saw of ND, I'd take 20 points and their opponent almost 100% of the time. I don't think they have the horsepower on O to run people off of the field under normal (not 6 TO's) circumstances.
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Some notes on our offense.
GT has scored on its first or second possession of the game every game this season.
It has failed to score on the next drive against every FBS opponent. It has failed to score more than twice in the first half against every power conference team (incl ND).
Third quarters have been largely a disaster for the offense except for the UNC game. UNC and L'ville (FG) are the only 2 power teams GT has scored against in the 3rd quarter.
In the other games against power conference opponents it has been the third or fourth possession of the second half before the offense has scored.
It feels like the offense starts out well with its scripted plays. But once the defense adjusts it seems like it takes GT 1 1/2 to 2 quarters to figure out a counter to the defensive adjustments.
It also feels like the offense really only works consistently when King is out there. His running ability - specifically his speed which allows him to both hit holes faster and get to the edge easier than our backup QB's, makes the whole running game work. Defenses have to pay alot more attention to him in the run game than our other QB's. His running ability creates more space for our RB's.
With King we will be a significant underdog against Miami, without King it could get very ugly, unless is it like a +4 TO game. Miami has scored on 66% of its possessions against power conference teams. That includes a 52% TD possession rate (32 TDs in 61 possessions). FSU was the first team to hold Miami to fewer than 5 TD's - that was largely due to the number of possessions. Miami only had 8 possessions on Saturday ending with 4 TDs, 3 FGs and 1 punt. In 6 games against power conference teams Miami has 12 punts with 4 coming against Cal. No one else has forced more than 2.
They do have 8 turnovers in those 6 games - 5 INT, 2 fumbles, 1 downs - though 5 of those 8 were by Cal and VT.
FSU held them to a season low 36 points.
GT has scored on its first or second possession of the game every game this season.
It has failed to score on the next drive against every FBS opponent. It has failed to score more than twice in the first half against every power conference team (incl ND).
Third quarters have been largely a disaster for the offense except for the UNC game. UNC and L'ville (FG) are the only 2 power teams GT has scored against in the 3rd quarter.
In the other games against power conference opponents it has been the third or fourth possession of the second half before the offense has scored.
It feels like the offense starts out well with its scripted plays. But once the defense adjusts it seems like it takes GT 1 1/2 to 2 quarters to figure out a counter to the defensive adjustments.
It also feels like the offense really only works consistently when King is out there. His running ability - specifically his speed which allows him to both hit holes faster and get to the edge easier than our backup QB's, makes the whole running game work. Defenses have to pay alot more attention to him in the run game than our other QB's. His running ability creates more space for our RB's.
With King we will be a significant underdog against Miami, without King it could get very ugly, unless is it like a +4 TO game. Miami has scored on 66% of its possessions against power conference teams. That includes a 52% TD possession rate (32 TDs in 61 possessions). FSU was the first team to hold Miami to fewer than 5 TD's - that was largely due to the number of possessions. Miami only had 8 possessions on Saturday ending with 4 TDs, 3 FGs and 1 punt. In 6 games against power conference teams Miami has 12 punts with 4 coming against Cal. No one else has forced more than 2.
They do have 8 turnovers in those 6 games - 5 INT, 2 fumbles, 1 downs - though 5 of those 8 were by Cal and VT.
FSU held them to a season low 36 points.
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I will take your side if ND DT #99 is not playing.
He is an area denial weapon.
In the 2011? Orange bowl we had good ol and great bb #21, but nothing worked against Iowa's DT Claiborne. We had to run off tackle on the other side.
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Good info.
By way Cal has DB that have 6 years college.
Miami season low 36! We scored more than that against VMI and UNC with TFP as DC. If we fall behind and call conservative plays maybe thier head coach will take foot off gas. However, i think he may still be smarting from last year. So i am guessing they want to score 40 plus.
If Key is going to get a little creative, it should be this game. But so far, its run the ball, because they will get tired at the end, and we will at win, since we make no mistakes. A good plan in theory.
HC crowd could get loud.
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I am going to be cautious about this take, but it is what I thought when we chose Key.
I believe Key is a solid coach who won't embarrass the Institute, but I believe his ceiling is probably 8 wins, and that is me being generous, in my opinion.
I hope he proves me wrong, but so far, he has not.
With that said, I'm not sure we could ever obtain a coach in today's CFB environment that could reach double digit wins with our financial constraints and the current professional minor league status of CFB. It's hard to win against good to great teams without a strong DL, and I don't think we've had one for many years. Who is the coach in waiting out there who can be the smartest guy in the room and also suddenly recruit big nasties to GT?
Lastly, I realize that it wasn't the D that cost us the game against VPSIU, but I'm not sure I consider them a top 40 offense either. (per the team stats, they certainly aren't)
I believe Key is a solid coach who won't embarrass the Institute, but I believe his ceiling is probably 8 wins, and that is me being generous, in my opinion.
I hope he proves me wrong, but so far, he has not.
With that said, I'm not sure we could ever obtain a coach in today's CFB environment that could reach double digit wins with our financial constraints and the current professional minor league status of CFB. It's hard to win against good to great teams without a strong DL, and I don't think we've had one for many years. Who is the coach in waiting out there who can be the smartest guy in the room and also suddenly recruit big nasties to GT?
Lastly, I realize that it wasn't the D that cost us the game against VPSIU, but I'm not sure I consider them a top 40 offense either. (per the team stats, they certainly aren't)
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Their qb is not good at reading defense and Brent PRYE used a bunch of creative plays to get gash plays on our defensive line - that is playing like angry violent men.
Maybe key will unleash King. The zero interceptions requirement could be a bad requirement.
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I think Key can lead us to double digit wins much the same way Paul did: we get the right mix for the O and the schedule and luck are on our side. The right mix on O will not, however, mean the right mix for the O system. It will mean that we hit the jackpot with some recruits that we get and then we pay to keep them. (I still find it hard to write a sentence like that about college football.) It isn't as if Paul didn't depend on that as well (see Gotsis), but it is more our fate now. That will take every recruiting trick in the book and as much money as Batt can organize to do it. But … it can be done.
Oth, season over season double digit wins is probably a bridge too far. But we'll see.
And we'll just see about ND and Army. Nobody, but nobody has contained Bryson Daily this season and I don't think ND can do it either. That doesn't mean Army will win, but I always liked their chances better then Navy's. Now if only Daily can avoid injury …
Oth, season over season double digit wins is probably a bridge too far. But we'll see.
And we'll just see about ND and Army. Nobody, but nobody has contained Bryson Daily this season and I don't think ND can do it either. That doesn't mean Army will win, but I always liked their chances better then Navy's. Now if only Daily can avoid injury …
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Like I've said, I'm betting that when Philo take over it will be Jamais Winston, part deux. No need to run all that much, just throw the ball. But we'll see what Buster/.Weinke do if he wins out in spring over Pyron. That is NOT a done deal, btw.
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It looks to me like our offensive game plan this year has been to reduce INTs. We haven't been throwing deep as much this year, and when we have, we're not connecting on it very often. This has led to more teams stacking the box against us, making it much harder to run the ball.
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This requires a lockdown OL. Will we have that?
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Nor is it a done deal that King won't be back for another year. What does that mean for Pyron/Philo/Knowles?
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If Key can string a few classes together like the current one and keep enough of the guys around, I think there would be enough talent to hit 9+ wins on years with more favorable schedules in the new uneven scheduling world.
And from there you get more revenue and can get a good pipeline of assistant coaches, since he seems good at putting together a staff.
Even if he doesn’t get to that many wins, rebuilding recruiting and the roster would be a big step forward in terms of hiring an eventual replacement for him.
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Unfortunately, I think this season is indicative of what the challenge is for most mid-tier teams in the new NIL & Transfer Portal landscape. Unless you can afford to pay quality depth to remain on your team, you are 1-2 injuries away from a sustained losing streak. Our ones can play with (almost) anyone but our depth is sorely lacking, and if we develop someone, there's a good chance Ole Miss some random football factory will pay them well to enter the portal.
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And this is why I question spending 500 million dollars when we may not even be able to have a P4 team to play there
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Some people are less inclined to simply concede.
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Conceding and being voted off the island are two different things. We are not in the two media darling conferences which will likely evolve into the P2 super conferences. Money is undefeated