GT at uGA Post Game

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yeti92 said:
A low number of flags thrown is in no way indicative of whether there was bias or not. If team A commits 10 penalties and is called for 2 while team B commits 20 penalties and is called for 3, team B has gotten a significant unfair advantage because of the officiating.
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It’s as good an indicator as non officials who are very biased making comments on officials being biased. LOL
 
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yeti92 said:
A low number of flags thrown is in no way indicative of whether there was bias or not. If team A commits 10 penalties and is called for 2 while team B commits 20 penalties and is called for 3, team B has gotten a significant unfair advantage because of the officiating.
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I have always felt like players in both baseball and basketball are more adept at adapting to differences in referees or umpires than FB players. In fact players and coaches understand that there will be differences from game to game in terms of things like strike zones or the amount of physical contact between players is allowed.
But for whatever reason football players don’t adapt as well to differences from game to game in the amount of holding or contact that is allowed between db’s and wr’s. I guess it’s bc of much smaller sample sizes during the game to “read” the refs. Wondering if anyone else has other thoughts on this.
 
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MtnWasp said:
There are questionable to blown PI calls in every single football game that I watch.
The issue of corruption comes down to whether or not they are called evenly.
Gt got a PI call in the 7th overtime to give them a second shot to win the game. If the officials were paid-off, would GT have gotten that call?
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I don’t think the game was rigged and I am not a conspiracy theorist.

But let me play devils advocate. The refs had already made several questionable calls/non calls that cost Tech the game. Now a Tech receiver is unable to get to a ball because a uga player is tugging at his jersey. If the ref doesn’t call that he gives away the whole charade given the previous calls. It would have too obvious.

No, I do not believe that is what happened but I also believe you haven’t offered convincing proof that it did not happen.
 
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4shotB said:
I have always felt like players in both baseball and basketball are more adept at adapting to differences in referees or umpires than FB players. In fact players and coaches understand that there will be differences from game to game in terms of things like strike zones or the amount of physical contact between players is allowed.
But for whatever reason football players don’t adapt as well to differences from game to game in the amount of holding or contact that is allowed between db’s and wr’s. I guess it’s bc of much smaller sample sizes during the game to “read” the refs. Wondering if anyone else has other thoughts on this.
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Good point. By the time you figure out that “hey, the refs are allowing more holding in this game,” it’s usually too late.

Also, umpires in baseball that are calling an inconsistent strike zone feel the heat pretty quickly from fans, managers, and eventually the front office. Inconsistent refs don’t get exposed as quickly because, as you say, the sample size is smaller. It’s usually too late to correct for it.
 

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RonJohn said:
Every single score and every single turnover is reviewed automatically.

EDIT: Next time you are at a game watch the officials after a score or turnover. The officials will look at the replay guy before starting the play clock. If replay says everything is good, the replay guy (in yellow shirt I think) will windmill his arm and the official will start the play clock.
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Reviewed by the conference head office at a remote location for the team hosting the game. Sounds reasonable with tens of millions of dollars for the organization on the line. Give me a ****ing break.
 
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I think there are some folks that simply enjoy taking the contrarian side of things, regardless of subject.

The world is round, convince me otherwise.
 

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MtnWasp said:
I'm Surprised that the officiating bias has gained so much traction.

How many Gt fans if asked before the game started that they expected GT to get the benefit of the doubt from officials in a prime time road game against UGA?

If I said before the game that it was going into a post 2nd overtime two point conversion contest and that UGA would be called for two penalties on those plays (Holding - declined, and Pass interference in the 7th overtime giving GT a second attempt at a win) and that GT was called for none, would you have taken that?

If I asked Gt fans before the game if the called penalties for the game would be five flags for Gt for 29 yards and 3 flags against UGA for 27 yards, would you have taken that?

Sorry guys, if the officials wanted GT to win, there was no way to get that PI call to get a second chance in the 7th OT to win the game. GT had SO many chances to stick a fork in UGA throughout that game and THEY didn't do it.

The officials swallowed their whistles the entire game for both teams. They let the players determine the game.
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Except for the fourth and ten PI that would have ended the game.

“Letting players decide the game” is fine except when they are blatantly violating rules. We did zero of that. They did plenty. It’s bull**** and it deserves to be called out. You think Desmond Howard would be commenting on it on Game Day if it was blown out of proportion?
 

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TooTall said:
Im going to wear Tech gear to church in the morning. I'm going to continue to have my truck identified by the large GT in the back window. Nothing will ever make me not cheer for this team. We have more known coming back than they do. Next year, us being up wont be a surprise. And when we win in the dome, it will be expected...as will the field storming.
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That easy for you...no one in church will be within a foot of being as tall as you. /s/
 
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I am not saying there was a conscious bias or “fix” by the refs. It could simply be incompetence. But I believe unconscious bias is real. Has anyone ever watched a Duke basketball game and looked at the foul disparity? I suppose it could simply be that Duke always plays a clean game, right?
 

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Techastrophe said:
Quick look at Ugg's season in terms of yards allowed/gained:

Clemson 188/447
TN Tech 134/498
Kentucky 284/262
Alabama 547/519
Auburn 337/381
Miss St 385/605
Texas 259/283
Florida 256/455
Mississippi 395/245
Tennessee 313/452
Massachusetts 351/550
(Mean 314/427)

GT 563/405
Ugg's #1 worst game in yards allowed
Ugg's #5 worst game in yards gained
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I have seen several of their games but the strangest one to me was Ole Miss. I thought it would be a back and forth track meet but Ole Miss's defense stonewalled UGA for much of the game.
 
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bke1984 said:
Reviewed by the conference head office at a remote location for the team hosting the game. Sounds reasonable with tens of millions of dollars for the organization on the line. Give me a ****ing break.
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Pay attention to what I was responding to. It was a response to a post asking if the fumble was even reviewed in the booth at all.
 

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bke1984 said:
Uncatchable because they were dragging the TE down by his shoulder
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OK, holding instead of PI. No difference in the outcome.

For all the ref apologists- yeah we could have won despite their horrible calls, but the fact remains we shouldn't have had to outplay a supposedly far superior and athletically talented team with triple the depth we have AND overcome botched call which were all ruled on the side of the favored team.

Add that to the fact these refs are jockeying themselves for lucrative bowl appearances, perhaps even playoff appearances and possibly the Championship game. The people that control selections are guys like Sankey & you piss him off your season is done, likely your employment with the sec. Yeah theose refs have skin in the game. Ref jobs, ref clinics, etc all could go down the drain.

Their mistakes cost us the game, there's no mistaking that. Any of the botched calls go our way and we win- fumble, tipped ball, targeting. 2 of 3 were not even reviewed despite the stakes. That was deliberate. Yeah we could have made the FG, but so could have their guy. Their idiot coach could have kicked an XP. We could have scored TDs instead of FGs, made 1 more 2 pt conversion. The "marginal" calls- the possible facemask and at best horesecollar holding, the punch to King when he was on the ground, the maybe first down at the 50 would have at a minimum influenced the outcome. We were o'fer 6 on 60-50's, slight better than a 1% chance of them all breaking the wrong way.

This was a $10M series of seemingly intentional mistakes. We would have been ranked, better bowl prospects & now we have to hope someone sees that and gives us the break we earned. It should not be up for dispute, but I'm on the short list of GT fans that has an issue with it. Maybe that's why we have issues with consistent support and other programs like our Auburn, USCe, etc do not lack fans to fill their stadiums? Other fanbases would be in a complete uproar if their teams got shafted repeatedly like we did Friday night. It just ain't right.
 
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