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They can outlaw cryptocurrency. It’s the Wild West.
Some of the crypto projects absolutely have some legit technology or purpose behind them, but there's no way I could deny that it is an absolute casino.

I've got some money on the craps table and I'll let it ride until it goes to the moon or goes to $0.

Just have to be willing to accept $0 is a real possibility.
 

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Some of the crypto projects absolutely have some legit technology or purpose behind them, but there's no way I could deny that it is an absolute casino.

I've got some money on the craps table and I'll let it ride until it goes to the moon or goes to $0.

Just have to be willing to accept $0 is a real possibility.

Yea isn’t it funny - the potential is darn well somewhere near between 0 and infinite.
 

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They can outlaw cryptocurrency. It’s the Wild West.
Well, it depends on what you mean by that. They can outlaw exchanges fairly easily. Outlawing the use of crypto as a currency would be more difficult. In order to enforce such laws, they would probably have to trace IP addresses and identify who at that IP address is using the software. If they do that, then people using the software could move to VPNs or TOR to evade detection. Shutting down mining operations for Bitcoin would probably be easier especially in a place like China. However, other crytpocurrencies that use less energy could potentially be as difficult for authorities to weed out as peer-to-peer sharing programs were for music and movie companies in the 2000s.
 

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Well, it depends on what you mean by that. They can outlaw exchanges fairly easily. Outlawing the use of crypto as a currency would be more difficult. In order to enforce such laws, they would probably have to trace IP addresses and identify who at that IP address is using the software. If they do that, then people using the software could move to VPNs or TOR to evade detection. Shutting down mining operations for Bitcoin would probably be easier especially in a place like China. However, other crytpocurrencies that use less energy could potentially be as difficult for authorities to weed out as peer-to-peer sharing programs were for music and movie companies in the 2000s.

Person to person would be one thing as to if they could stop it. But outlawing it would eliminate it from being used in the vast majority of regular transactions between businesses and people and businesses. They would not knowingly violate the law like that.
 

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Huh, first of all there isn't such thing as price gouging in open and competitive markets. But that certainly wasn't my intent to imply that.
Jacked up has a negative connotation so I also believed that to be your implication. Yes, of course if you maintain the margin percentage and the cost rises then gross margin rises. So we agree. I just wouldn’t call it jacked up.
 

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Some of the crypto projects absolutely have some legit technology or purpose behind them, but there's no way I could deny that it is an absolute casino.
Most of the benefits of crypto come from distributed publicly verifiably ledgers. This is huge in supply chain, artifact sale history (know exactly where this painting went and where, etc), and also can be beneficial for financial transactions (escrow payments can go away!!!).

Bitcoin as it is, will not be useful for this. The technology behind it will be (the work in smart contracts is especially interesting), but we got a ways to go.
 

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Most of the benefits of crypto come from distributed publicly verifiably ledgers. This is huge in supply chain, artifact sale history (know exactly where this painting went and where, etc), and also can be beneficial for financial transactions (escrow payments can go away!!!).

Bitcoin as it is, will not be useful for this. The technology behind it will be (the work in smart contracts is especially interesting), but we got a ways to go.
Yeah. I'm not a tech person, but I try to make small bets on "penny stock" cryptos that have a purpose. Still gambling, but at least I can point to a possible value proposition.
 

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Yeah. I'm not a tech person, but I try to make small bets on "penny stock" cryptos that have a purpose. Still gambling, but at least I can point to a possible value proposition.

there’s also nothing wrong with getting an entertainment value out of it. Some people go to a bar every day. Some people play golf three times a week. There’s no specific rule that says an investment can’t have entertainment value.
 

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People used to carry check around with them, too. There is still a lot uses for cash=> game programs at GT football games; tickets to the games you forgot to buy until gameday; getting the boot removed from the car you left on the 5th St bridge; and the Varsity order you picked up outside to avoid the lines at the counter.

I think this song is really about cryptocurrency:
 

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Thought about putting this in the Funny Stuff thread:


The article states that a lot of millennials moved back in with their parents last year, saved money, and are now deploying those savings into down payments on homes. Note that millennials were born from 1981-1996. That makes them from 40 years old down to 25. I just can't imagine living in a bedroom in my parents home at age 30 or 40. (n)

The next part that caught my eye was the comment "We’re also seeing one of the biggest changes in generational wealth from the baby boomers over to their millennial children.” Are they saying that parents sending money to their kids is helping fuel the housing market? When I've applied for loans, they look at your income and savings and any transactions not related to payroll (like a parent giving you money) gets special scrutiny.

As I posted earlier on here, we got an offer on our home without even listing it. It was $400,000 over our last appraisal from our refinancing last summer. They ended up walking away 1 week later because they couldn't fit the size pool they wanted in the yard. We decided if that's how ludicrous the market is, lets list the house for even more. We don't have to move. So we listed it for $500,000 over that last appraisal and had multiple offers the first day it was shown. We got an offer as-is not contingent upon an inspection or appraisal. They had their banker call our realtor and explain the appraisal was irrelevant - the buyer's credit and financial stability was so pristine they would issue them a loan in any structure.

Where I'm going with this is that my gut tells me to disagree with this article. I don't think people that old are living with their parents. I don't think they are getting money from their parents (maybe the 18-25 year olds are). I think these are highly educated people making and saving lots of money who are also making lots of money on cryptocurrency, tech stocks, and other investments like that.

In our town, there isn't really anything for rent either. Tons of people moved here (we live in one of those so called Zoom Towns) and filled up the rental market because there wasn't anything for sale. Building material costs are through the roof, fueling the market for existing homes even further. Our cost of living is low here (our property taxes are about $1,000 per $400,000 of house per year).

My last comment on this article (with their BUY NOW!) language is “There is a shortage in inventory that is not going to be caught up for a while." They said the same thing in 2007. I'm not calling a market downturn. But it will happen at some point. Its always a momentum play. People think it will never go up when it crashes, and people never think it will go down when its surging. Just like 2007 (and before), when emotion takes over, the market will be flooded with homes. It will rebalance at some point. People weren't just all homeless last year LOL.
 
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