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Root4GT said:
The Jimmys and Joes were a core problem. The blocking schemes are very different. The passing game is very different in CJP's offense. The players running the scout team, like every scout team are not as good as the starters. They also are not as good at running an offense that is extremely different than what GT ran. If you discount that you are glossing over a real issue. IT was a both and for talent and scheme.
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I disagree. I don't think the scheme CJP ran had any impact on the scout team’s ability to run football plays. These guys have been running different type of offenses ther entire lives. I ran I, Power-I, wishbone, pistol, wing-T, and a whole host of different offenses before I graduated from HS. These kids are better equipped than I was in 1987, so I think that was just an unsubstantiated myth. CPJ agreed. It just my opinion.
 

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forensicbuzz said:
I disagree. I don't think the scheme CJP ran had any impact on the scout team’s ability to run football plays. These guys have been running different type of offenses ther entire lives. I ran I, Power-I, wishbone, pistol, wing-T, and a whole host of different offenses before I graduated from HS. These kids are better equipped than I was in 1987, so I think that was just an unsubstantiated myth. CPJ agreed. It just my opinion.
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Fair. No way to know for sure. Still the blocking techniques in CJP's spread option were very unique. So the make up of the Scout team would have a big impact. If it was mostly walkons that only practiced as scout players with no real chance of making the 2 deep then the impact would be lessened. Having a competent Scout team QB seems unlikely as well.

I doubt it made as much difference as opposing coaches said, however, I do believe it was way more then netlabel as far as impacting our defenses. The Offense also likely impacted defensive recruiting.

No real way to know. Past history as well!
 

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...except he was also our DC in 2014...when we beat UGA 30-24.

In Roof's 5 seasons as our DC, he was part of 2 wins against UGA. How many other wins has GT had against UGA since O'Leary left GT? ONE. In 2008.

He had two seasons where his DFEI numbers were the best GT has performed since the metric has been recorded...outside of 2008, CPJ's first season. 2008 was the highest DFEI GT has ever achieved at 37. It was also a defense LOADED with NFL defensive talent.

At some point, GT fans need to realize that Roof was a good DC. Was he great? No...but he was better than GT fans give him credit for.

I know you think it's funny to jump on the "Ted Roof is terrible" bandwagon, but when Roof has had some of GT's best defenses in the last 20 years, and his defenses were a big part of 2 of our only 3 wins against UGA in the last 20 years, you just start sounding like your ice cream choices...terrible.
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When did the metric start being recorded, 2007 IIRC? GT’s had a lot of awful defenses since then so “least bad” is very faint praise.

Even 2014 team won with points, much more than with D. The D cost them at least one game.
 
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cpf2001 said:
When did the metric start being recorded, 2007 IIRC? GT’s had a lot of awful defenses since then so “least bad” is very faint praise.

Even 2014 team won with points, much more than with D. The D cost them at least one game.
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Yes. 2007 is furthest back the BCSToys website lets you go back.

I would argue the 2014 UGA game was won as much by our defense as it was with our offense. DJ White picked off a would be TD pass that ended the UGA game. Before that, we stopped them at the goal line and recovered a fumble on that same goal line stand.

UGA had the #6 OFEI offense that season. UGA offense only scored 17 points that game. One UGA TD came off a defensive fumble scoop and score.



Roof's D played well that game.
 
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Yes. 2007 is furthest back the BCSToys website lets you go back.

I would argue the 2014 UGA game was won as much by our defense as it was with our offense. DJ White picked off a would TD pass that ended the UGA game. Before that, we stopped them at the goal line and recovered a fumble on that same goal line stand.

UGA had the #6 OFEI offense that season. UGA only scored 17 points that game. One UGA TD came off a defensive fumble scoop and score.



Roof's D played well that game.
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The defense forced a fumble inside the 5 and another in the end zone for a touchback. That’s 14 points we give up 9 out of 10 times. Defense didn’t play perfect, but made key plays. On the flip side, the bogus fumble return for a TD was clearly a TD by Thomas, so that was in itself a 14 point swing. You could argue if that was officiated correctly, we could spot them those 14 points on the fumbles and still would have won in OT. One of the few times we were just clearly the better team.
 
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The defense forced a fumble inside the 5 and another in the end zone for a touchback. That’s 14 points we give up 9 out of 10 times. Defense didn’t play perfect, but made key plays. On the flip side, the bogus fumble return for a TD was clearly a TD by Thomas, so that was in itself a 14 point swing. You could argue if that was officiated correctly, we could spot them those 14 points on the fumbles and still would have won in OT. One of the few times we were just clearly the better team.
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Roof was by no means a great DC, but I think if GT fans go back and look at his body of work for us, he was a lot better than we remember.

If there's any game that his naysayers want to point to that our offense carried the game, it was definitely the Orange Bowl. Our offense was so good and unstoppable that game that Roof's D giving up 600 yards of offense and 34 points to Dak Prescott and Miss State almost didn't matter.
 
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My recollection of Roof 2.0 s that his defenses were pretty good against old school/ Pro Style offenses (like uga’s) and struggled against the Spread/RPO teams

I still think that firing him was a bad knee-jerk reaction to one bad game (Miami) where they kept running the same play to come back and beat us.
 
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Roof was by no means a great DC, but I think if GT fans go back and look at his body of work for us, he was a lot better than we remember.

If there's any game that his naysayers want to point to that our offense carried the game, it was definitely the Orange Bowl. Our offense was so good and unstoppable that game that Roof's D giving up 600 yards of offense and 34 points to Dak Prescott and Miss State.
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The 2014 season was special because of a team effort. The offense was a juggernaut and the defense pretty much individually cost us the UNC game, but the defense made some big plays throughout the season that helped us have such a fabulous season. The defense was great against Clemson(albeit a young backup QB) which was crucial because Clemson’s D made our offense somewhat human. Jamal’s pick six is one of my favorite memories of that season. The defense forcing 4 fumbles in one quarter against Pitt after the 2 game losing streak definitely helped us get our **** together after the losing streak. And of course, the turnovers against Georgia.

The big difference that year was we forced a lot of turnovers. Paul Johnson said of our defense that year “someone is going to score either way”. I kind of think that’s the best case scenario for us. We’ve basically been bad on defense through almost 5 presidential terms and most of the time it was with a very passive, conservative defense. I think we need to get aggressive and live and die by the consequences.
 
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forensicbuzz said:
I disagree. I don't think the scheme CJP ran had any impact on the scout team’s ability to run football plays. These guys have been running different type of offenses ther entire lives. I ran I, Power-I, wishbone, pistol, wing-T, and a whole host of different offenses before I graduated from HS. These kids are better equipped than I was in 1987, so I think that was just an unsubstantiated myth. CPJ agreed. It just my opinion.
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Man do I remember the wing-t and I graduated in 1987. Cedartown almost won the state championship 2 years ago running the wing-t they had the ball on the 1 yard line first and goal and couldn’t get it in. Don’t see much of the wing-t anymore. Sorry seeing 1987 and wing-t just brought back a few memories 😂
 
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Thwg777 said:
The officiating in the 2014 cofh game was as bad as the 2024 game. Defense and coaching were much better in 2014 to not let the refs decide the game.
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On target.

I remember thinking early in the 2014 game there was no way Tech was going to win with the way the refs were calling the game. Took away a Justin Thomas TD, allowing a fumble recovery and GA TD after the whistle -on the same play!

2024 probably had the worst total number of bad calls I’ve ever seen in a Tech / GA game, and that’s saying a lot. In 2014 we made almost every single miracle play we had to have to win. 2024 we were short about two miracle plays and the refs won.
 
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