Duquesne 12/29/2015

[McCamish Maniacs]

Is there any way Tadric could be converted to PG?

I'm actually intrigued by that idea

 

[alagold]

Is there any way Tadric could be converted to PG?

good question--maybe, but then we would have THREE PGs who can't shoot--lol

 

[alagold]

Mason was taken out with a min left - basically their coach was all but conceding the game and then we got so careless they almost got back.
GT used alot of MGH and Q on Mason in the 2nd half. Very aggressive about getting over the screens and their size bothered him some in the 2nd half as Mason didn't get very many clean looks - unlike the first half.

Smith and MGH are high level ACC guards. No one else on the team is right now though. GT has 4 legit ACC caliber starters, but it drops alot after that.

Red,
I''m curious who is your 4th guy?
btw--But ,ALL of them are SRs! Q's shot has gone south,TJ can't shoot outside,PGs can only pass, Lammers is not a scorer--without a MASSIVE influx of SR talent AGAIN,this team next year will be the worst of Gregorys career and that is saying A LOT

 

[RamblinRed]

MGH, Mitchell, Smith, Jacobs. Not saying they are all ACC, but they are ACC starting caliber.

Actually, Q's shot is ok. He is shooting over 41% on both twos and threes for the year.
Smith has helped MGH and Q alot on offense. His shooting ability is forcing teams to focus on him more which leaves MGH and Q with more open looks than last year.
It also gives more space for MGH to penetrate.

I agree about what next year's team is going to look like. But after that year we will likely be able to make a change in coaching.
Lammers is basically where Daniel was his R-FR yr. Wish we could reshirt him.
They need Tadric to turn into the player he was in HS next season or it will be extremely ugly. He's way behind where I would have expected him to be based on watching him in HS.

 

[lv20gt]

MGH, Mitchell, Smith, Jacobs. Not saying they are all ACC, but they are ACC starting caliber.

MGH, Smith, and Mitchell would be role player starters at best for any team contending for the ACC title, especially the latter two. Jacobs would be a 7th man type of player.

 

[Peacone36]

A player with 12 double doubles is a role player? A guy who has led the ACC in 3pt % is a role player?

I'm no optimist when it comes to our program, but to put this politely and gently as possible, you're a god damned fool.

 

[lv20gt]

A player with 12 double doubles is a role player? A guy who has led the ACC in 3pt % is a role player?

For the former I say look at average level of competition he got those 10 double doubles against. Also go back and look at how he preformed in conference last year to get a better idea of where he stands as an acc player. As far as smith goes, other than 3 point shooting what does he bring to the table? Little else. He's the definition of a 3 point specialist, which yes, is a role player. If you think either of them would be anything but role player starters for an ACC title contending team then you have no grounds to call anyone else a fool.

 

[orientalnc]

For the former I say look at average level of competition he got those 10 double doubles against. Also go back and look at how he preformed in conference last year to get a better idea of where he stands as an acc player. As far as smith goes, other than 3 point shooting what does he bring to the table? Little else. He's the definition of a 3 point specialist, which yes, is a role player. If you think either of them would be anything but role player starters for an ACC title contending team then you have no grounds to call anyone else a fool.

I do not think Mitchell was a star player last season, but he averaged 9 points and 7 rebounds in ACC games. That's not chump change. The way he is playing this year I think Duke would be happy to have him in their starting lineup. Smith averaged 14 a game against the ACC last year, which was better than his OOC average. What's the beef with a two taking 3-point shots?

Just as a comparison, do you think Amile Jefferson is a role player for Duke? He has not taken a 3-point shot this season. He is averaging 11 points and 10 rebounds. Mitchell is averaging 13 points and 12 rebounds with the same number of treys.

 

[McCamish Maniacs]

For the former I say look at average level of competition he got those 10 double doubles against. Also go back and look at how he preformed in conference last year to get a better idea of where he stands as an acc player. As far as smith goes, other than 3 point shooting what does he bring to the table? Little else. He's the definition of a 3 point specialist, which yes, is a role player. If you think either of them would be anything but role player starters for an ACC title contending team then you have no grounds to call anyone else a fool.

If you think Mitchell hasn't improved from last season to this one then apparently you haven't watched us play. And if you think Adam is only a 3 point specialist then once again you haven't watched us play. He is by far the best player on the team at generating his own shot.

 

[lv20gt]

I do not think Mitchell was a star player last season, but he averaged 9 points and 7 rebounds in ACC games. That's not chump change. The way he is playing this year I think Duke would be happy to have him in their starting lineup. Smith averaged 14 a game against the ACC last year, which was better than his OOC average. What's the beef with a two taking 3-point shots?

Sean Obi posted 11.4 and 9.3 as a freshman at Rice, yes I know in CUSA, and gets almost no playing time at all at Duke. 6-9 250 and a game altogether not that different than Mitchell's. Mitchell would play more but he wouldn't be a starter at Duke. And there is nothing wrong with being a two taking 3 point shots. There's also nothing wrong with being a role player. Smith played, and the transfer didn't change this, on one of the worst teams in the ACC last year. And we're not talking about an Eric Green who put up 25, 4, and 4 or Shumpert who put up 17, 6, 3.5, and was the best defender in the league. Smith is a good shooter, decent scorer, but not a whole lot else. He doesn't have the point guard skills to slide to the one nor the size to slide to the 3. He'd have a role on a better team in the league but it'd probably be either as a secondary outside scoring option, or more likely an offense off the bench type of player.

 

[alagold]

Sean Obi posted 11.4 and 9.3 as a freshman at Rice, yes I know in CUSA, and gets almost no playing time at all at Duke. 6-9 250 and a game altogether not that different than Mitchell's. Mitchell would play more but he wouldn't be a starter at Duke. And there is nothing wrong with being a two taking 3 point shots. There's also nothing wrong with being a role player. Smith played, and the transfer didn't change this, on one of the worst teams in the ACC last year. And we're not talking about an Eric Green who put up 25, 4, and 4 or Shumpert who put up 17, 6, 3.5, and was the best defender in the league. Smith is a good shooter, decent scorer, but not a whole lot else. He doesn't have the point guard skills to slide to the one nor the size to slide to the 3. He'd have a role on a better team in the league but it'd probably be either as a secondary outside scoring option, or more likely an offense off the bench type of player.

guys, next yr we will remember them beyond FONDLY compared to what we will have as it looks now lol

 

[Peacone36]

guys, next yr we will remember them beyond FONDLY compared to what we will have as it looks now lol

This true. Enjoy this year as much as possible. Next year we start developing a good young class and will have to replace:

our top 4 scorers, and 5 of our top 7.
Our top 3 rebounders and 4 out of our top 5

Enjoy what we have now folks. BG isn't going anywhere and unless Matthews has another gear (above the one he is currently showing which is very good) we are going to be running BGs offense with unproven guys who have never been primary scorers or proven they can create shots for themselves or others.