Deion Sanders On The Flats?

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Pittman has a DC that is paid $1.75 million and an OC that is paid $1.2 million and he himself can recruit and coach the heck out of an OL. We don't have to kind of money to hire a figurehead recruiter like Prime and get P5 head coach level candidates at coordinator. We apparently are arguing over $3million extra just to fire the dude we have right now. The HC here needs to be really great at some aspect of coaching, either on the offense or defense, so that we can get the most out of the little money we have. We are too poor to follow the Arkansas model.
Deion is currently making $300,000 at JSU, and he’s donating half of it back to the athletic department to invest into the facilities (yes we all know he’s getting a tax break on that donation). So he’s pocketing ~$100k per year. If we paid him what we’re paying Collins it would be a 10x increase. If Deion was on board I’d bet we’d be able to find another million or 2 in order to pay for the staff.

In any event, let's go back to the past and give Deion a share of the ticket proceeds. Heisman got that as I recall. That way performance is rewarded by what counts most - attendance and caring. Win and they will come.
Funny you should say that. Deion already has a ticket sales incentive in his contract. For every game JSU sells more than 30k tickets, he gets 10% of the revenue.
 

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Deion is currently making $300,000 at JSU, and he’s donating half of it back to the athletic department to invest into the facilities (yes we all know he’s getting a tax break on that donation). So he’s pocketing ~$100k per year. If we paid him what we’re paying Collins it would be a 10x increase. If Deion was on board I’d bet we’d be able to find another million or 2 in order to pay for the staff.

A million or two gets you the staff we have right now. $800k for OC Chip Long and $650k for RGC Brent Key $450k for DC Thacker. Arkansas is paying $3million just for two coordinators. Odom was the 6th highest paid assistant in the country last year and most of the guys ahead of him are head coaches now. The model is completely unfeasible at Georgia Tech.
 

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A million or two gets you the staff we have right now. $800k for OC Chip Long and $650k for RGC Brent Key $450k for DC Thacker. Arkansas is paying $3million just for two coordinators. Odom was the 6th highest paid assistant in the country last year and most of the guys ahead of him are head coaches now. The model is completely unfeasible at Georgia Tech.
I think that's why he said another million or two, as in on top of what we already spend.
 

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I don’t think there is any chance that Deion is going To be our next coach. I have a feeling that he is going to stay a JSU for a long time. I see his path similar to Coach Eddie Robinson. He can have a huge impact on more kids lives there than if he was at a D1 school. Rising tide raise all ships, I think he is helping other HBCU. He doesn’t need the money or fame, but he can leave a legacy if he continues the current trend at JSU. I will be shock if he ever leaves jsu, but if he does leave he‘s not coming here.
 

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I don’t think there is any chance that Deion is going To be our next coach. I have a feeling that he is going to stay a JSU for a long time. I see his path similar to Coach Eddie Robinson. He can have a huge impact on more kids lives there than if he was at a D1 school. Rising tide raise all ships, I think he is helping other HBCU. He doesn’t need the money or fame, but he can leave a legacy if he continues the current trend at JSU. I will be shock if he ever leaves jsu, but if he does leave he‘s not coming here.
he was going for the fsu job allegedly and was pretty pissed he didn’t get it. i think he’s in this to get to p5 and beyond
 

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I don’t think there is any chance that Deion is going To be our next coach. I have a feeling that he is going to stay a JSU for a long time. I see his path similar to Coach Eddie Robinson. He can have a huge impact on more kids lives there than if he was at a D1 school. Rising tide raise all ships, I think he is helping other HBCU. He doesn’t need the money or fame, but he can leave a legacy if he continues the current trend at JSU. I will be shock if he ever leaves jsu, but if he does leave he‘s not coming here.
He’s interviewed for several P5 jobs (e.g., TCU and Arkansas) and even said that he should have gotten those jobs. He’s leaving JSU. How about he comes to GT and we have a game every year against an HBCU here at the Benz or Bobby Dodd. Call it something cool and we take advantage of our location and population to continue helping HBCUs?
 

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He’s interviewed for several P5 jobs (e.g., TCU and Arkansas) and even said that he should have gotten those jobs. He’s leaving JSU. How about he comes to GT and we have a game every year against an HBCU here at the Benz or Bobby Dodd. Call it something cool and we take advantage of our location and population to continue helping HBCUs?
That's a capital idea. I like it.
 

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He’s interviewed for several P5 jobs (e.g., TCU and Arkansas) and even said that he should have gotten those jobs. He’s leaving JSU. How about he comes to GT and we have a game every year against an HBCU here at the Benz or Bobby Dodd. Call it something cool and we take advantage of our location and population to continue helping HBCUs?

Do some double headers at Bobby Dodd or MBS like we used to do with UGa. GT vs. someone/HBCU and then Jackson State vs. Grambling or similar. A few hours in between games.
 

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He’s interviewed for several P5 jobs (e.g., TCU and Arkansas) and even said that he should have gotten those jobs. He’s leaving JSU. How about he comes to GT and we have a game every year against an HBCU here at the Benz or Bobby Dodd. Call it something cool and we take advantage of our location and population to continue helping HBCUs?
we played alcorn state recently so i think we could easily bring that back. let tech be a part of growing the hbcu game. i think that would be amazing
 

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Deion going to GT was mentioned in passing by Paul Finebaum apparently. I didn’t watch, but my mom text me and told me she saw it. Someone brought up Deion going to Auburn and Paul said he felt Deion would go here before Auburn. That doesn’t hold any serious weight, but it does make it seem like this could actually be more than just a pipe dream from our fans.
 

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It is a lot easier to go for broke when you are alread broke.

We do not have the resources or the desirabilty to pull a proven coach. We have to deal with what we are at this point. We are the worst team in the ACC currenty.

The only chance we have for a quicker turn around is a flashy hire, like Deion, that pays off.

With Deion we immidiatly become a force in recruiting in Georgia. We will sell out if not every home game next season, damn close to it. Selling out home games would equal about $1million per game just in ticket sales from where we currently are. Deion also more than likely brings his son with him next season, who would have 2 or 3 more seasons and was rated equal to Jeff Sims.

If we could pull it off, Deion is a gamble we can't afford not to take. It would be like turning down the B1G.

It's a lot easier to go for broke when you're already broke? That's what degenerate gamblers say at the blackjack table after they've gone through the $1000 they originally brought with them and end up hocking the title to the car that brought them to the casino. GT athletics is a business with a LOT to lose, it's not an individual at the blackjack table with nothing to lose. If anyone that's ever owned a business or managed a division of company knows, you don't double down on an unproven idea to get yourself out of hole...that's how businesses go under, and managers get fired.

"Flashy hires" is what got us into this mess (see former OL Will Jackson's quote in the Athletic “I remember the opening press conference and hearing the two words that got him the job were brand and culture,” Jackson said. “That struck me as odd at the time because Georgia Tech football is not an advertising agency on Madison Avenue. It’s a football team on North Avenue.https://theathletic.com/3612998/2022/09/20/geoff-collins-georgia-tech/ ). CGC was said "flashy hire" with his slogans and slick media campaigns that garnered GT temporary national attention, how is that paying off now? So you want to double down on another "flashy hire" and roll the dice? At least CGC had some success at an FBS level school before he got to GT.

You have ZERO evidence Deion would be recruiting force at GT, or GT would sell out home games. That's just pure conjecture and wishful thinking...much like when a broke person is down to his last $10 at the blackjack table hoping the next card gets him to 21. Would we get an initial bump in recruiting and attendance? Probably...but none of that is sustainable if you don't win. We've already seen that with CGC...a short recruiting bump, and short attendance bump. Where are we now without the winning? Worse off than when Paul Johnson stepped down.

Even if Deion improved recruiting, he's not going to improve GT recruiting to the level of a top 10-15 school needed to overcome Deion's coaching gap at this level. Recruiting at the P5 level is serious business, and recruiting against those schools isn't like recruiting at Jackson State. Sure he can get a few splashy recruits down there with NIL money, and he can get P5 castoffs to transfer there...but as we've seen with CGC, 4 and 5 star P5 transfers at this level aren't necessarily homeruns on the field, and getting elite level recruits to GT even with NIL money isn't a certainty. Before the season started, GT had the 5th most talented roster in the ACC according to 247. How has that worked out for us? At this level, coaching ability matters..."flash" does not, and trying to out talent good coaches does not. Deion has proven he can win by out talenting pretty much every school at that level, but that's not a recipe for success at the P5 level, and definitely not at GT.

There are PLENTY of non P5 coaches at the lower levels with an established track record GT could go after that GT could easily afford. I actually listed several of them in another thread. If GT doesn't hire a good coach with a winning track record, it's because they're not looking hard enough...and that's what got us into this predicament in the first place.

As I said, I don't hate the idea of Deion at GT, but there are much better options out there for us. If social media didn't exist, would anyone even know about Deion coaching at Jackson State? It seems like some of you are on this Deion train because it sound exciting and cool from social media. The reality is, social media is a red herring and a lazy way to find a coach.

Listen...if Deion does come here, I will 100% back him because he's GT's coach. I'll be more than happy to eat crow (with a lot of Cholula hot sauce and ketchup) if he wins enough to get us back to bowls and pulls in top 20 recruiting class. I'll be the first in line to say I was wrong. However, there are far better candidates for GT at this point and in our situation.
 

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It's a lot easier to go for broke when you're already broke? That's what degenerate gamblers say at the blackjack table after they've gone through the $1000 they originally brought with them and end up hocking the title to the car that brought them to the casino. GT athletics is a business with a LOT to lose, it's not an individual at the blackjack table with nothing to lose. If anyone that's ever owned a business or managed a division of company knows, you don't double down on an unproven idea to get yourself out of hole...that's how businesses go under, and managers get fired.

"Flashy hires" is what got us into this mess (see former OL Will Jackson's quote in the Athletic “I remember the opening press conference and hearing the two words that got him the job were brand and culture,” Jackson said. “That struck me as odd at the time because Georgia Tech football is not an advertising agency on Madison Avenue. It’s a football team on North Avenue.https://theathletic.com/3612998/2022/09/20/geoff-collins-georgia-tech/ ). CGC was said "flashy hire" with his slogans and slick media campaigns that garnered GT temporary national attention, how is that paying off now? So you want to double down on another "flashy hire" and roll the dice? At least CGC had some success at an FBS level school before he got to GT.

You have ZERO evidence Deion would be recruiting force at GT, or GT would sell out home games. That's just pure conjecture and wishful thinking...much like when a broke person is down to his last $10 at the blackjack table hoping the next card gets him to 21. Would we get an initial bump in recruiting and attendance? Probably...but none of that is sustainable if you don't win. We've already seen that with CGC...a short recruiting bump, and short attendance bump. Where are we now without the winning? Worse off than when Paul Johnson stepped down.

Even if Deion improved recruiting, he's not going to improve GT recruiting to the level of a top 10-15 school needed to overcome Deion's coaching gap at this level. Recruiting at the P5 level is serious business, and recruiting against those schools isn't like recruiting at Jackson State. Sure he can get a few splashy recruits down there with NIL money, and he can get P5 castoffs to transfer there...but as we've seen with CGC, 4 and 5 star P5 transfers at this level aren't necessarily homeruns on the field, and getting elite level recruits to GT even with NIL money isn't a certainty. Before the season started, GT had the 5th most talented roster in the ACC according to 247. How has that worked out for us? At this level, coaching ability matters..."flash" does not, and trying to out talent good coaches does not. Deion has proven he can win by out talenting pretty much every school at that level, but that's not a recipe for success at the P5 level, and definitely not at GT.

There are PLENTY of non P5 coaches at the lower levels with an established track record GT could go after that GT could easily afford. I actually listed several of them in another thread. If GT doesn't hire a good coach with a winning track record, it's because they're not looking hard enough...and that's what got us into this predicament in the first place.

As I said, I don't hate the idea of Deion at GT, but there are much better options out there for us. If social media didn't exist, would anyone even know about Deion coaching at Jackson State? It seems like some of you are on this Deion train because it sound exciting and cool from social media. The reality is, social media is a red herring and a lazy way to find a coach.

Listen...if Deion does come here, I will 100% back him because he's GT's coach. I'll be more than happy to eat crow (with a lot of Cholula hot sauce and ketchup) if he wins enough to get us back to bowls and pulls in top 20 recruiting class. I'll be the first in line to say I was wrong. However, there are far better candidates for GT at this point and in our situation.
A rather lengthy post to suggest, in essence, that Sanders and Collins are the same type of person. All evidence says they are not the same.

And, I have to say, Collins never struck me as a flashy hire when he was announced. When mentioning his name, after the announcement to family and friends, the almost unanimous response was, “Geoffrey who?” Only they thought it was “Jeffrey.”

I can almost guarantee nobody will be saying, “Deion who?”

Very different coaches in every way.
 

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A rather lengthy post to suggest, in essence, that Sanders and Collins are the same type of person. All evidence says they are not the same.

And, I have to say, Collins never struck me as a flashy hire when he was announced. When mentioning his name, after the announcement to family and friends, the almost unanimous response was, “Geoffrey who?” Only they thought it was “Jeffrey.”

I can almost guarantee nobody will be saying, “Deion who?”

Very different coaches in every way.

Very different? You're right in one way...CGC at least won games at the FBS level. CGC isn't working out, so let's throw another big contract at a little proven coach (and Deion and his staff will want at least what CGC is getting...at minimum) and roll the dice?

This is the last I'll say of it. If GT fans think we're that desperate that we need to hire a guy with just a 2+ year track record at an FCS school, well, I guess that tracks with how the current administration has handled things since CPJ left.
 

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It's a lot easier to go for broke when you're already broke? That's what degenerate gamblers say at the blackjack table after they've gone through the $1000 they originally brought with them and end up hocking the title to the car that brought them to the casino. GT athletics is a business with a LOT to lose, it's not an individual at the blackjack table with nothing to lose. If anyone that's ever owned a business or managed a division of company knows, you don't double down on an unproven idea to get yourself out of hole...that's how businesses go under, and managers get fired.

"Flashy hires" is what got us into this mess (see former OL Will Jackson's quote in the Athletic “I remember the opening press conference and hearing the two words that got him the job were brand and culture,” Jackson said. “That struck me as odd at the time because Georgia Tech football is not an advertising agency on Madison Avenue. It’s a football team on North Avenue.https://theathletic.com/3612998/2022/09/20/geoff-collins-georgia-tech/ ). CGC was said "flashy hire" with his slogans and slick media campaigns that garnered GT temporary national attention, how is that paying off now? So you want to double down on another "flashy hire" and roll the dice? At least CGC had some success at an FBS level school before he got to GT.

You have ZERO evidence Deion would be recruiting force at GT, or GT would sell out home games. That's just pure conjecture and wishful thinking...much like when a broke person is down to his last $10 at the blackjack table hoping the next card gets him to 21. Would we get an initial bump in recruiting and attendance? Probably...but none of that is sustainable if you don't win. We've already seen that with CGC...a short recruiting bump, and short attendance bump. Where are we now without the winning? Worse off than when Paul Johnson stepped down.

Even if Deion improved recruiting, he's not going to improve GT recruiting to the level of a top 10-15 school needed to overcome Deion's coaching gap at this level. Recruiting at the P5 level is serious business, and recruiting against those schools isn't like recruiting at Jackson State. Sure he can get a few splashy recruits down there with NIL money, and he can get P5 castoffs to transfer there...but as we've seen with CGC, 4 and 5 star P5 transfers at this level aren't necessarily homeruns on the field, and getting elite level recruits to GT even with NIL money isn't a certainty. Before the season started, GT had the 5th most talented roster in the ACC according to 247. How has that worked out for us? At this level, coaching ability matters..."flash" does not, and trying to out talent good coaches does not. Deion has proven he can win by out talenting pretty much every school at that level, but that's not a recipe for success at the P5 level, and definitely not at GT.

There are PLENTY of non P5 coaches at the lower levels with an established track record GT could go after that GT could easily afford. I actually listed several of them in another thread. If GT doesn't hire a good coach with a winning track record, it's because they're not looking hard enough...and that's what got us into this predicament in the first place.

As I said, I don't hate the idea of Deion at GT, but there are much better options out there for us. If social media didn't exist, would anyone even know about Deion coaching at Jackson State? It seems like some of you are on this Deion train because it sound exciting and cool from social media. The reality is, social media is a red herring and a lazy way to find a coach.

Listen...if Deion does come here, I will 100% back him because he's GT's coach. I'll be more than happy to eat crow (with a lot of Cholula hot sauce and ketchup) if he wins enough to get us back to bowls and pulls in top 20 recruiting class. I'll be the first in line to say I was wrong. However, there are far better candidates for GT at this point and in our situation.
I see your point but the program appears to be on life support and it needs a shot of adrenaline. I think we lost some fans at the end of Paul’s tenure because of the TO and I know we are losing fans in droves now. If this keeps up, the only interest in the program will be related to CGC’s eventual firing and maybe pity.

If we have big money donors who are satisfied with hiring a solid non-P5 coach to lead us out of the wilderness then I think you’re right. If we need immediate fan support and money in the form of ticket sales to turn things around, I think we should seriously look at Deion. Not only would Deion spark interest with GT fans, I think he would spark interest with non-GT fans and maybe even non-football fans. I was initially leaning against Deion but the more I read about him, the better he sounds. He has a lot of IMMEDIATE upside that not many other coaches could bring.
 

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Very different? You're right in one way...CGC at least won games at the FBS level. CGC isn't working out, so let's throw another big contract at a little proven coach (and Deion and his staff will want at least what CGC is getting...at minimum) and roll the dice?

This is the last I'll say of it. If GT fans think we're that desperate that we need to hire a guy with just a 2+ year track record at an FCS school, well, I guess that tracks with how the current administration has handled things since CPJ left.
Perhaps you are right.

I just don’t see the two coaches as at all alike, whether temperament, work ethic, discipline of players, name recognition, recruiting ability and on and on.

But, yes, they were both unproven, though now we have more data on Collins.

For Tech to break out of our slump we need lightning in a bottle, a rising star, someone on the way up.

Would I prefer an established, big-name, proven coach with a winning resume? Of course. Let me know when you find him.

Don’t get me wrong. I’ve taken seriously what you’ve said and will continue to ponder it. You may be right but I’m not quite there yet.
 

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Perhaps you are right.

I just don’t see the two coaches as at all alike, whether temperament, work ethic, discipline of players, name recognition, recruiting ability and on and on.

But, yes, they were both unproven, though now we have more data on Collins.

For Tech to break out of our slump we need lightning in a bottle, a rising star, someone on the way up.

Would I prefer an established, big-name, proven coach with a winning resume? Of course. Let me know when you find him.

Don’t get me wrong. I’ve taken seriously what you’ve said and will continue to ponder it. You may be right but I’m not quite there yet.
All coaching hires are the roll of the dice, even ones that seem like homeruns (looking at you Scott Frost). What coaches out there are guaranteed to have success at a new school?
 

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It's a lot easier to go for broke when you're already broke? That's what degenerate gamblers say at the blackjack table after they've gone through the $1000 they originally brought with them and end up hocking the title to the car that brought them to the casino. GT athletics is a business with a LOT to lose, it's not an individual at the blackjack table with nothing to lose. If anyone that's ever owned a business or managed a division of company knows, you don't double down on an unproven idea to get yourself out of hole...that's how businesses go under, and managers get fired.

"Flashy hires" is what got us into this mess (see former OL Will Jackson's quote in the Athletic “I remember the opening press conference and hearing the two words that got him the job were brand and culture,” Jackson said. “That struck me as odd at the time because Georgia Tech football is not an advertising agency on Madison Avenue. It’s a football team on North Avenue.https://theathletic.com/3612998/2022/09/20/geoff-collins-georgia-tech/ ). CGC was said "flashy hire" with his slogans and slick media campaigns that garnered GT temporary national attention, how is that paying off now? So you want to double down on another "flashy hire" and roll the dice? At least CGC had some success at an FBS level school before he got to GT.

You have ZERO evidence Deion would be recruiting force at GT, or GT would sell out home games. That's just pure conjecture and wishful thinking...much like when a broke person is down to his last $10 at the blackjack table hoping the next card gets him to 21. Would we get an initial bump in recruiting and attendance? Probably...but none of that is sustainable if you don't win. We've already seen that with CGC...a short recruiting bump, and short attendance bump. Where are we now without the winning? Worse off than when Paul Johnson stepped down.

Even if Deion improved recruiting, he's not going to improve GT recruiting to the level of a top 10-15 school needed to overcome Deion's coaching gap at this level. Recruiting at the P5 level is serious business, and recruiting against those schools isn't like recruiting at Jackson State. Sure he can get a few splashy recruits down there with NIL money, and he can get P5 castoffs to transfer there...but as we've seen with CGC, 4 and 5 star P5 transfers at this level aren't necessarily homeruns on the field, and getting elite level recruits to GT even with NIL money isn't a certainty. Before the season started, GT had the 5th most talented roster in the ACC according to 247. How has that worked out for us? At this level, coaching ability matters..."flash" does not, and trying to out talent good coaches does not. Deion has proven he can win by out talenting pretty much every school at that level, but that's not a recipe for success at the P5 level, and definitely not at GT.

There are PLENTY of non P5 coaches at the lower levels with an established track record GT could go after that GT could easily afford. I actually listed several of them in another thread. If GT doesn't hire a good coach with a winning track record, it's because they're not looking hard enough...and that's what got us into this predicament in the first place.

As I said, I don't hate the idea of Deion at GT, but there are much better options out there for us. If social media didn't exist, would anyone even know about Deion coaching at Jackson State? It seems like some of you are on this Deion train because it sound exciting and cool from social media. The reality is, social media is a red herring and a lazy way to find a coach.

Listen...if Deion does come here, I will 100% back him because he's GT's coach. I'll be more than happy to eat crow (with a lot of Cholula hot sauce and ketchup) if he wins enough to get us back to bowls and pulls in top 20 recruiting class. I'll be the first in line to say I was wrong. However, there are far better candidates for GT at this point and in our situation.
I think you are underselling what Deion could be to a program. His name is getting brought up for nearly every coaching search now. Even Auburn who also hasn't fired their coach. Im no Paul Finebaum fan but here was his take on it:


“I'll say this to you — I think it would be a really a historical hire for the SEC and for college football,” Finebaum said of Sanders. “Of the names that I've heard so far, I mean, the usual suspects — Hugh Freeze, Lane Kiffin Deion Sanders blows those guys away. I mean, Lane Kiffin has proven he can troll people on Twitter and he's a very good coach. Hugh Freeze has proven that he's a good football coach.

“Neither one of them is going to generate the kind of excitement that Deion Sanders would generate, there's no comparison.

“I'm just giving opinions here. Nobody at Auburn cares what I think or you are saying about who their next football coach would be. But I asked a question to yesterday about Lane Kiffinand how would Nick Saban react to that because Lane Kiffin is always trying to poke the bear. He could live with Lane Kiffin being at Auburn because he's already beaten Lane Kiffin every time he's faced him. But I guarantee you Nick Saban would lose some sleep over ‘Coach Prime’ being at Auburn.”

Deion adds another dimension that no other coach is capable of. A dimension that is certainly worth taking a risk on. If we don't, someone else will.
 
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