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Is this a serious post ?
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stinger78
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CJT didn’t recruit but most of the very good 2-way players ended up on the defensive side of the ball in his term.
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I always thought the most serious mistake TFG made when he came in as coach at Tech was to not keep Woody. Subsequent performance of his Ds at Army seem to reinforce the argument.
However, count me as on Tucci's team. The D is already much better and I expect it to improve more this year. The Louisville loss was not the Ds fault; their play was up to snuff. But … this is not a one year project. A little patience is required.
However, count me as on Tucci's team. The D is already much better and I expect it to improve more this year. The Louisville loss was not the Ds fault; their play was up to snuff. But … this is not a one year project. A little patience is required.
Kennethshannon20
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I’m not sure this post makes any sense. Our Defense gave up 17 points all game. The other 14 were the scoop and score and the blocked FG return. Not our Defense that was the problem.
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I think our defensive coaches are going to take us in the right direction. But, that's on faith.
Last year, we couldn't stop the run. This year, we can, but we can't stop the pass.
Here's the Louisville game. Louisville's offensive column is our defensive column. We don't have color coding on this forum, so I'm using bold in a few places.
In yards per dropback, Louisville is almost off the chart at 99%. It's the same with predicted points. They were significantly above average on offense, and that's almost entirely through the air. It's like we have a stone wall guarding the front door (the run) but the back door (the pass) is open and unwatched.
Louisville had a field day through the air.
Overall, for the season, it's the same story. Let's start with the good news. We defend the run well. Maybe, we're top 30?
Against the pass, we are in the cellar, though. It's bad, and we haven't seen the worst of our schedule.
Overall, that leaves about where we were last year, but differently. It's a low rated defense. I'm seeing somewhere in the bottom quarter of FBS, and one of the worst P4 teams
Last year, we couldn't stop the run. This year, we can, but we can't stop the pass.
Here's the Louisville game. Louisville's offensive column is our defensive column. We don't have color coding on this forum, so I'm using bold in a few places.
In yards per dropback, Louisville is almost off the chart at 99%. It's the same with predicted points. They were significantly above average on offense, and that's almost entirely through the air. It's like we have a stone wall guarding the front door (the run) but the back door (the pass) is open and unwatched.
Louisville had a field day through the air.
| Overall | GT | Louisville |
|---|---|---|
| EPA/Play | -0.03 41st %ile | 0.13 70th %ile |
| Success Rate | 41% 51st %ile | 37% 31st %ile |
| Yards/Play | 6.13 59th %ile | 7.22 83rd %ile |
| EPA/Dropback | 0.57 93rd %ile | 0.97 99th %ile |
| EPA/Rush | -0.38 5th %ile | -0.47 3rd %ile |
| Yards/Dropback | 9.75 90th %ile | 14.16 99th %ile |
| Explosive Play Rate | 10% 70th %ile | 9% 59th %ile |
| 3rd Down Success Rate | 22% 7th %ile | 27% 14th %ile |
| Red Zone Success Rate | 29% 27th %ile | 25% 23rd %ile |
| Def Run Stuff Rate | 33% 59th %ile | 40% 86th %ile |
| Havoc Rate | 9% 43rd %ile | 9% 44th %ile |
Overall, for the season, it's the same story. Let's start with the good news. We defend the run well. Maybe, we're top 30?
| Against the Run | |
|---|---|
| Plays | 143 |
| Plays/Game | 29 #33 |
| Total EPA | -30.22 #7 |
| EPA/Play | -0.21 #17 |
| EPA/Game | -6.04 #21 |
| Success Rate | 33.6% T-#28 |
Against the pass, we are in the cellar, though. It's bad, and we haven't seen the worst of our schedule.
| Against the Pass | |
|---|---|
| Plays | 149 |
| Plays/Game | 30 #47 |
| Total EPA | 43.39 #131 |
| EPA/Play | 0.29 #130 |
| EPA/Game | 8.68 #125 |
| Success Rate | 46.3% #116 |
Overall, that leaves about where we were last year, but differently. It's a low rated defense. I'm seeing somewhere in the bottom quarter of FBS, and one of the worst P4 teams
| Defensive | |
|---|---|
| Plays | 292 |
| Plays/Game | 58 #24 |
| Total EPA | 13.17 #100 |
| EPA/Play | 0.05 #96 |
| EPA/Game | 2.63 #94 |
| Success Rate | 40.1% #79 |
| Starting FP | Own 23 #4 |
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Appreciate the stats and comments.
While our defensive stats you show reflect what many on this board have expressed concerning our pass defense, I’m still trying to reconcile these stats with the fact that Louisville’s offense was held to only 17 points. I get that the scoop and score and the kick-six skipped a couple of offensive drives for them, but even factoring that in, their offense wasn’t lighting up the scoreboard. There needs to be some better explanation for our defense giving up an exceptionally high epa/play, but holding teams to average scoring.
I assume these stats are from gameonpaper.com. Looking at more details, it shows that Louisville had only 11 successful passing plays. This was out of 19 total passes, and 46 total plays. Did their stellar passing stats come from only the 4 explosive plays? If so, then the final score may be an indication that they simply did a poor job of exploiting our defensive weakness by not throwing more deep balls. Also, I believe untimely penalties may have adversely affected their success on some drives.
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The stats are from https://gameonpaper.com/cfb/year/2024/team/59 and https://gameonpaper.com/cfb/game/401635554.
Louisville wasn't great in the red zone or when they had to convert 3rd down. I'm glad we can do something against the run. They moved the ball well, then sometimes petered out. We forced a few punts.
They had some big plays, but they threw for good yardage almost all the time. 58% of the time Shough threw the ball, he was ahead of the chains. Considering he had a 68% completion rate, almost every pass he completed kept the drives ahead of the sticks. You can see that by looking at the receiving stats. The passes were either for first downs or, on early downs, at least half of the yardage to gain.
| Stat line | Yards/play | EPA/play | EPA | SR | WPA | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dropbacks | ||||||
| Tyler Shough | 13/19, 269 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 0 Scks, 90.3 xQBR, 0.45 DETMER | 14.16 | 0.97 | 18.50 | 58% | 36.0% |
| Pass targets | ||||||
| Ja'Corey Brooks | 4 catches (4 targets), 125 yds, 1 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost) | 31.25 | 2.49 | 9.98 | 100% | 32.0% |
| Chris Bell | 2 catches (2 targets), 82 yds, 1 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost) | 41.00 | 3.96 | 7.91 | 100% | 16.0% |
| Jamari Johnson | 2 catches (2 targets), 20 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost) | 10.00 | 1.33 | 2.65 | 100% | -1.0% |
| Donald Chaney | 1 catch (1 target), 17 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost) | 17.00 | 2.33 | 2.33 | 100% | 3.0% |
| Mark Redman | 1 catch (1 target), 12 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost) | 12.00 | 1.17 | 1.17 | 100% | 1.0% |
| Ahmari Huggins-Bruce | 1 catch (1 target), 8 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost) | 8.00 | 0.66 | 0.66 | 100% | 1.0% |
| Isaac Brown | 1 catch (1 target), 3 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost) | 3.00 | -0.36 | -0.36 | 0% | -1.0% |
| Jadon Thompson | 1 catch (1 target), 2 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost) | 2.00 | -0.42 | -0.42 | 0% | 0.0% |
But, if we only looked at the drives, your think we won
| Drives | GT | Louisville |
|---|---|---|
| Total | 10 | 8 |
| Avg Starting Field Position | Own 22 | Own 13 |
| Plays/Drive | 8.93 | 7.30 |
| Yards/Drive | 51.91 | 43.78 |
| Available Yards % | 66% | 50% |
Back to the original question, was Louisville's success all from explosive plays? No, they did well across the board.
But, dang, we should have thrown more.
| Explosiveness | GT | Louisville |
|---|---|---|
| Total Plays | 78 | 54 |
| Scrimmage Plays | 68 | 46 |
| Explosive Plays | 7 (10%) | 4 (9%) |
| When Passing (EPA > 2.4) | 4 (12%) | 4 (21%) |
| When Rushing (EPA > 1.8) | 3 (9%) | 0 (0%) |
| EPA w/o Explosive Plays | -24.24 | -10.07 |
| EPA/Play | -0.40 | -0.24 |
| When Passing | 5.35 | 2.68 |
| EPA/Play | 0.17 | 0.14 |
| When Rushing | -22.96 | -12.75 |
| EPA/Play | -0.72 | -0.47 |
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our linebackers do appear to lack speed and quickness to cover running backs
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I have to agree that I have concerns about our O. They are not major, though. If you look at production, we are not far off of last year’s rate. Most of my concern is coming from our difficulty running the ball against ‘Cuse and ‘Ville, and for a half against GSU. We ought to be better there, IMO.
D is what it is. Any improvement is helpful. My expectations are not real high there.
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That should be singular. Tatum is plenty fast enough. Efford is not. They need to scheme it so that Efford does not have to drop into coverage. There have to be ways to prevent him from chasing down a quick RB or TE.
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I don’t disagree with you, but did those two disastrous plays limit their offensive possession’s x2?
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I can see some progress, compared to last year
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But we are closer than during covid when we changed seats. I wanted to watch wr db so we went to upper deck..
They pass- their recivers start route and 3 secod break- ball is on way and arrives while our db on way. On 5 second break our db running so fast when ball arrives db has to wait forchelp to makectackle.
We pass- recivers are making breaks but dbs are right with them - like they know the play. But if qb scrambles we did hit some good plays.
We are way better on offense but on def.. ..
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