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Looking through some of the stats, looks like bats are fine, good not great. Pitching is absolutely terrible so far this season. Surprisingly, our fielding is middle of the road for ACC so can't blame errors. Still could be better it's not our issue.
 

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Of note, at least to me anyway: GT’s previous pitching coach, Jason Howell — who was let go by GT following the 2019 season — returned to North Carolina as their pitching coach in 2020. Howell now has his Tar Heel pitchers ranked 5th in the conference with a team ERA of 3.43.
 
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GTRambler said:
Of note, at least to me anyway: GT’s previous pitching coach, Jason Howell — who was let go by GT following the 2019 season — returned to North Carolina as their pitching coach in 2020. Howell now has his Tar Heel pitchers ranked 5th in the conference with a team ERA of 3.43.
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UNC's head coach (Forbes) is also a pitching guy.
 
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So for our worst in the ACC pitching which of these reasons predominates in your opinion? I don't know the reason(s) and I don't think the coaching staff does either or they'd fix it. It isn't 6 or 7 IMHO but I put them on there.


  1. DBo changes mechanics too much and makes pitchers unreliable.
  2. Poor selection of pitchers to start or relieve that day.
  3. Slow hook on struggling pitchers.
  4. GIT makes pitchers think too much.
  5. Pitch selection doesn’t suit pitcher and game situation.
  6. Don’t have recruited talent.
  7. Bad luck.
  8. Other.
Maybe we'll get better by the end of the season, but we are already ~30% (~18/60) of the way through. Need to have Pastner come on the staff for late season improvements. (tic) Nothing we can do about it except ***** and accept; baseball is too minor a sport for AD Batt to get involved and we have Hall till he decides to leave.

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GTNavyNuke said:
So for our worst in the ACC pitching which of these reasons predominates in your opinion? I don't know the reason(s) and I don't think the coaching staff does either or they'd fix it. It isn't 6 or 7 IMHO but I put them on there.


  1. DBo changes mechanics too much and makes pitchers unreliable.
  2. Poor selection of pitchers to start or relieve that day.
  3. Slow hook on struggling pitchers.
  4. GIT makes pitchers think too much.
  5. Pitch selection doesn’t suit pitcher and game situation.
  6. Don’t have recruited talent.
  7. Bad luck.
  8. Other.
Maybe we'll get better by the end of the season, but we are already ~30% (~18/60) of the way through. Need to have Pastner come on the staff for late season improvements. (tic) Nothing we can do about it except ***** and accept; baseball is too minor a sport for AD Batt to get involved and we have Hall till he decides to leave.

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7 isn’t even a thought when it’s a multiple season, on-going problem.
 
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GTNavyNuke said:
So for our worst in the ACC pitching which of these reasons predominates in your opinion? I don't know the reason(s) and I don't think the coaching staff does either or they'd fix it. It isn't 6 or 7 IMHO but I put them on there.


  1. DBo changes mechanics too much and makes pitchers unreliable.
  2. Poor selection of pitchers to start or relieve that day.
  3. Slow hook on struggling pitchers.
  4. GIT makes pitchers think too much.
  5. Pitch selection doesn’t suit pitcher and game situation.
  6. Don’t have recruited talent.
  7. Bad luck.
  8. Other.
Maybe we'll get better by the end of the season, but we are already ~30% (~18/60) of the way through. Need to have Pastner come on the staff for late season improvements. (tic) Nothing we can do about it except ***** and accept; baseball is too minor a sport for AD Batt to get involved and we have Hall till he decides to leave.

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Pitching has always been a problem for this team. But for this purpose, I'll connect it to DBo. Agree with @LargeFO ... bad luck isn't it given the sample size.

I think nearly everyone inside & outside the program applauded the DBo hire. Seemed like a slam dunk (some) improvement would result. It hasn't despite better facilities/technology & his long success & experience with NYY.

To me... that must mean there is something about the college game & development that doesn't translate with his skillset. I can't be specific because I'm just a dumb fan with the knowledge developed from watching games... nearly all on my TV screen.
 
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GTNavyNuke said:
So for our worst in the ACC pitching which of these reasons predominates in your opinion? I don't know the reason(s) and I don't think the coaching staff does either or they'd fix it. It isn't 6 or 7 IMHO but I put them on there.


  1. DBo changes mechanics too much and makes pitchers unreliable.
  2. Poor selection of pitchers to start or relieve that day.
  3. Slow hook on struggling pitchers.
  4. GIT makes pitchers think too much.
  5. Pitch selection doesn’t suit pitcher and game situation.
  6. Don’t have recruited talent.
  7. Bad luck.
  8. Other.
Maybe we'll get better by the end of the season, but we are already ~30% (~18/60) of the way through. Need to have Pastner come on the staff for late season improvements. (tic) Nothing we can do about it except ***** and accept; baseball is too minor a sport for AD Batt to get involved and we have Hall till he decides to leave.

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I'll go with mostly #1, and a little bit of #4 and #5. It is my understanding that DBo, as a roving minor league pitching instructor, has never had the responsibility of calling pitches. IOW, he doesn't have experience with getting hitters in a situation to fail. That is the main job of pitch calling, getting hitters in a situation to fail. I was hopeful that Wieters was brought in to help with that issue, but I've not heard if that has been the case or not.

What will be interesting to see is if DBo's pitchers have greater than expected success at the professional level. My suspicion is that they will, and I mean that as a compliment to DBo. My theory is that he is setting them up for long term success, but at the expense of near term success.
 

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gtbeak said:
I'll go with mostly #1, and a little bit of #4 and #5. It is my understanding that DBo, as a roving minor league pitching instructor, has never had the responsibility of calling pitches. IOW, he doesn't have experience with getting hitters in a situation to fail. That is the main job of pitch calling, getting hitters in a situation to fail. I was hopeful that Wieters was brought in to help with that issue, but I've not heard if that has been the case or not.

What will be interesting to see is if DBo's pitchers have greater than expected success at the professional level. My suspicion is that they will, and I mean that as a compliment to DBo. My theory is that he is setting them up for long term success, but at the expense of near term success.
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You accomplish the bolded sentence by throwing strikes, especially strike 1. We don't do that often enough.
 

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FredJacket said:
Pitching has always been a problem for this team. But for this purpose, I'll connect it to DBo. Agree with @LargeFO ... bad luck isn't it given the sample size.

I think nearly everyone inside & outside the program applauded the DBo hire. Seemed like a slam dunk (some) improvement would result. It hasn't despite better facilities/technology & his long success & experience with NYY.

To me... that must mean there is something about the college game & development that doesn't translate with his skillset. I can't be specific because I'm just a dumb fan with the knowledge developed from watching games... nearly all on my TV screen.
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I get the feeling CDB was mostly an analytics guy with Yankees, but not really a hands-on/mechanics coach. Really need the latter more than the former at the college level.
 
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CINCYMETJACKET said:
You accomplish the bolded sentence by throwing strikes, especially strike 1. We don't do that often enough.
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Certainly that helps, yes. But if all you do is throw 1st pitch strikes by just throwing a BP fastball, teams will learn that and you'll start giving up a lot of 1st pitch base hits.
 
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gtbeak said:
Certainly that helps, yes. But if all you do is throw 1st pitch strikes by just throwing a BP fastball, teams will learn that and you'll start giving up a lot of 1st pitch base hits.
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If they are quality strikes, then you will get a lot of ground balls and FO. Thus a lot of outs and most importantly a low pitch count that allows pitching far more innings. Keeps the D looser and more involved.

I'd take 1st pitch contact to 8 pitch walks any day (not that it is black and white like that).

I watched some other baseball yesterday after our game and a few things jumped out to me:
 
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I watched some more college baseball, as well. But, unfortunately it was Vandy and that idiotic whistler of theirs can ruin a game just as well on television as he can live 🤢
 
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GT Bravo said:
I watched some more college baseball, as well. But, unfortunately it was Vandy and that idiotic whistler of theirs can ruin a game just as well on television as he can live 🤢
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I ****ing hate that guy. It makes it impossible to watch one of their games.
 
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