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The people paying the money and the playersWho are you charging with racketeering in that scenario, the players?
The people paying the money and the playersWho are you charging with racketeering in that scenario, the players?
Who owns the NFL Network?This decision is made by the TV partners, not the NFL.
Who owns the NFL Network?
Article from CBSSports. Sounds like if Stanford ultimately does not get in to the ACC, then it is likely to try to form a new PAC8. Also, there was reporting last week that B12 reached out to Stanford to offer a spot and Stanford had no interest. It was ACC or nothing. Which gives some insight into the whole B12 vs ACC dynamic.
Options dwindling as California, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State prepare to take financial hits
No matter how this round of realignment plays out, the remaining Pac-12 teams will be losing moneywww.cbssports.com
for perhaps the first time in realignment, Power Five schools are assured of losing money by changing conferences.
The priority now is finding a conference to call home in 2024.
Stanford, and perhaps Cal, might have a bit more juice than the others, but it's doubtful rightsholders will pay much more for those four brands. The Bay Area schools came one vote shy of landing a spot in the ACC last week where a full media rights share approaches $40 million annually.
So, what is the priority these days? Branding. That's why the best rivalries in the game (arguably) reside in the 34 teams that comprise the Big Ten and SEC beginning in 2024.
That highlights suggestions within the industry that realignment has reached a sort of critical mass. Not that it's over forever; it's over for now.
Industry sources repeat that there is not much desire by either conference to add the likes Clemson, Florida State, etc. Not that the ACC's seemingly "ironclad" grant of rights agreement would allow such movement.
That says loads about the reality of the market compared to how those schools view themselves.
Down the food chain, survival -- not a big payday -- becomes key.
That makes it time to ask whether rightsholders are simply tapped out. A combination of reckless realignment and budget realities have forced networks to look at the bottom line.
If the ACC doesn't work out as a landing spot, Stanford has some reckoning to do.
There appears to remain some reciprocal interest between Stanford, Cal and the ACC. However, the Bay Area schools last week fell one vote short of being approved for inclusion in the league, sources told CBS Sports' Matt Norlander.
there are reasons Stanford wasn't carried forward to the ACC or Big Ten. The latter did not consider the Bay Area market as a relevant-enough media market. That led both schools to scramble, geographical absurdities be damned. With Clemson, FSU and Miami (among others) complaining about ACC revenue, Stanford and Cal simply didn't rate a full share. Plus, the longest road trip for both schools in the ACC would be 3,100 miles.
who owns the name "Pac-12?" And if the brand does endure as part of a reformed league, can it lose its autonomous status?
NCAA bylaws state it takes eight teams to compose a conference (there is a grace period of two years).
If the Pac-4 were able to convince four schools from another conference to join them, could it somehow retain its NCAA autonomous status? Its automatic berth in the NCAA Tournament? Its spot as a power conference in the College Football Playoff?
One source said to pay attention to the limited liability nature of the CFP. The Pac-12 still is a member of that LLC.
So much remains unresolved.
"[It was] never contemplated an FBS conference basically losing three quarters of their membership. It's all new," said a source working to preserve the Pac-12.
If you want ND, wait for NBC to renew. Then, match it with a proportional share.The prize for the ACC is for ND to become a full member. Inviting Stanford and Cal edges the conference closer to that goal. I understand the short term costs, but, university presidents ought to be long-term focused.
Should have been in on Texas before the SEC was. Should have been in on USC, UCLA, and Stanford together. I know I suggested an ACC/PAC merger at least a year ago. The screwups go all the way back to 1990ish when they should have gotten Penn State before the Big Ten did.The prize for the ACC is for ND to become a full member. Inviting Stanford and Cal edges the conference closer to that goal. I understand the short term costs, but, university presidents ought to be long-term focused.
If you want ND, wait for NBC to renew. Then, match it with a proportional share.
NBC is backing ND, but last I heard, ND is pushing for 75million. NBC won't back them at that price. What would you pay to televise only 6 games a year?ND will never join the ACC as a full member. They have the best of both worlds with the ACC: Independence, ability to give their other sports a home, and they have NBC backing them. Oh, and it also looks like ND gets a vote on any ACC decisions.
I think the ACC and ND need to present to ESPN a package that will hopefully increase value for everyone. Have the ACC go to a 9 game conference schedule (increases inventory) and have ND increase their ACC football commitment to 7 games per year. If ND truly wants what's best for the ACC and themselves, you better put your money where your mouth is.
Doesn't mean the ESPN will go for it (rumor is ESPN told SEC that they wouldn't pay anymore for an extra conference game), but if they do, hopefully the added ACC inventory + extra ND games adds more money to the ACC pot.
Depends on the new contract in a year or three. While I agree with you, money trumps principles.ND will never join the ACC as a full member. They have the best of both worlds with the ACC: Independence, ability to give their other sports a home, and they have NBC backing them. Oh, and it also looks like ND gets a vote on any ACC decisions.
I think the ACC and ND need to present to ESPN a package that will hopefully increase value for everyone. Have the ACC go to a 9 game conference schedule (increases inventory) and have ND increase their ACC football commitment to 7 games per year. If ND truly wants what's best for the ACC and themselves, you better put your money where your mouth is.
Doesn't mean the ESPN will go for it (rumor is ESPN told SEC that they wouldn't pay anymore for an extra conference game), but if they do, hopefully the added ACC inventory + extra ND games adds more money to the ACC pot.
Jon Bois is fantastic, and his videos are must-watch.
He also did this (Falcons, not Tech):
That’s probably coming sooner than we think. If there’s money involved, they’ll go for it.
Living on the west coast now, it’s already amazing how little UGA matters to me for days GT isn’t playing them. I turned on 5 minutes against TCU out of curiosity and then walked right out that door. Nobody is gonna ask me about it the next day. Nobody is gonna bark out their car with a UGA shirt on. There will be maybe a couple columns in the paper, probably something on the evening news if I watched that, that’s about it.
Contrast that to the winter of 2017 in Atlanta and hearing neighbors go nuts over the games in real time and seeing lots everywhere. That was hard to ignore, but after years removed from it… eh.
Shrinking the pool of teams is likely to have that same sort of effect for a good part of the country. If you don’t live in the South, it’ll just become one less thing to worry about.
How many minor league sports champs can you name? Who won the XFL or USFL or whatever they’ve been running the last few years? What’s the long term plan for getting more nationally relevant by cutting off most of the nation?
Why should NC State vote against Stanford and Cal?
I understand Clempy and FSU being brats and UNC inflated ego from bygone years. But not NC State.
The existing fans might not be lesser fans, although based on what a lot of people here say, I’m not even sure that’s true (I think there is a non trivial number of GT fans who would stop watching games if we didn’t play UGAg every year, for example).Bottom line is this: If GT moves to the B1G or Big 12, are you going to be any less of a GT fan?
I think that's what these conferences are counting on. Each fanbase will remain loyal to their school, and rivalries will continue on in new conferences, or new ones will be made. As long as fans remain loyal to their schools, and school fan bases are among the most loyal "consumers", the big conferences will operate business as usual.
Yeah, why would anyone care about a league with an order of magnitude greater skill where there have been as many distinct Super Bowl participants (2 teams in a league of 32 teams) as CFB playoff participants (4 teams in a league of 120+ teams) since the CFB playoffs existed.I couldn't tell you what two teams were in the Super Bowl last year. Just don't care. If CFB becomes pro like the NFL, I won't care about that either.