Collins and Brandon Collier ...

[GTRambler]

https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/...rope-for-georgia-tech/HpR1IJjzYOKuj1K63mLGGM/

 

[Jacket in Dairyland]

I am just blown away by our new emphasis on recruiting. It puts Tech football in the spotlight more- in a good way-each day. RELENTLESS !!

 

[GTRambler]

Very interesting to know that Coach Paul Johnson also recruited the European scene last year, as the article states.

 

[Cam]

Very interesting to know that Coach Paul Johnson also recruited the European scene last year, as the article states.

Yeah, we got burned pretty badly there, mostly by Collier. Those trips ate up a lot of our recruiting budget and the organization was actively shopping Welschof well after he committed to GT. Seems Collier has a better relationship with Collins, but I still don't trust him enough to not push his players towards Notre Dame and Penn State over us. Darkwa would be a good sign.

 

[GTRambler]

You know, I wonder, how exactly does Brandon Collier make his living (i.e., his money) doing this thing in Europe? And who are the folks that are paying him?

It also makes me wonder if any fishy smells are emanating from Mr. Collier, enough to attract NCAA attention? I don’t know, just speculating here.

 

[slugboy]

You know, I wonder, how exactly does Brandon Collier make his living (i.e., his money) doing this thing in Europe? And who are the folks that are paying him?

It also makes me wonder if any fishy smells are emanating from Mr. Collier, enough to attract NCAA attention? I don’t know, just speculating here.

I know a guy who ran his own transmission repair business, then “retired” to work with bowls. You can do that work and do OK without being shady.


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[GTRambler]

What kind of bowls? Wooden? Pottery? Ceramic?

Hahahahaha just kidding! LOL

 

[AlabamaBuzz]

I would hope Collier gets his $$ from the European families for his direct work with the prospects in developing their talent, just like a "personal trainer".

If schools are having to pay him for anything (other than expenses or dinner, etc.), then he is really just a "bag man". I would hope that is not the case.

 

[Techster]

Yeah, we got burned pretty badly there, mostly by Collier. Those trips ate up a lot of our recruiting budget and the organization was actively shopping Welschof well after he committed to GT. Seems Collier has a better relationship with Collins, but I still don't trust him enough to not push his players towards Notre Dame and Penn State over us. Darkwa would be a good sign.

Welschof didn't do anything other recruits haven't done to GT...or other schools (See: Trey Flower, C-Bo Flemister, Tre Jackson). Sometimes kids get a good offer and commit, and a "better" offer comes along. Unfortunately, Michigan was viewed as the "better" offer. It's up to CGC now to make GT the "better" offer.

You can say what you want about Collier, but his job is to maximize the opportunities of the guys he's looking after.

I don't see GT fans getting on kids we steal from Western Kentucky and Tulane at the last minute.

 

[YellowJacketFan2018]

I am just blown away by our new emphasis on recruiting. It puts Tech football in the spotlight more- in a good way-each day. RELENTLESS !!

It's really nice to see the emphasis that Geoff Collins and his coaching staff have on recruiting.

 

[Madison Grant]

That pack of vultures at Notre Dame just follows us around, lets us find late talent, and then swoops in. Just another reason for me to hate them.

 

[smokey_wasp]

Welschof didn't do anything other recruits haven't done to GT...or other schools (See: Trey Flower, C-Bo Flemister, Tre Jackson). Sometimes kids get a good offer and commit, and a "better" offer comes along. Unfortunately, Michigan was viewed as the "better" offer. It's up to CGC now to make GT the "better" offer.

You can say what you want about Collier, but his job is to maximize the opportunities of the guys he's looking after.

I don't see GT fans getting on kids we steal from Western Kentucky and Tulane at the last minute.

Yep. Really no room to take things personal in recruiting. If you get burned, you go after the next one even harder.

 

[LibertyTurns]

That pack of vultures at Notre Dame just follows us around, lets us find late talent, and then swoops in. Just another reason for me to hate them.

We need to understand why this is happening and fix the problems. Some are not changeable/fixable, ie we have an urban campus or our academic load, but others are ie better locker room. Fix what we can, mitigate the others, etc just like you would if it was your business. Nobody has a perfect product at a perfect price and able to market it perfectly.

 

[Cam]

Welschof didn't do anything other recruits haven't done to GT...or other schools (See: Trey Flower, C-Bo Flemister, Tre Jackson). Sometimes kids get a good offer and commit, and a "better" offer comes along. Unfortunately, Michigan was viewed as the "better" offer. It's up to CGC now to make GT the "better" offer.

You can say what you want about Collier, but his job is to maximize the opportunities of the guys he's looking after.

I don't see GT fans getting on kids we steal from Western Kentucky and Tulane at the last minute.

The way I understand it, Premier Players International was pushing for Welschof to go to Michigan more so for their own benefit, not Welschof's. They wanted to boost the reputation of their own service by getting him to go to one of the blue bloods rather than letting him go to GT. It's a different situation than most recruits because these Europeans essentially have agents doing most of the work for them. Welschof was free to choose whoever he wanted, but supposedly CPJ felt like he was misled by PPI and that led to a falling out. Again, it sounds like Collins has a much better relationship with Collier, so we shouldn't expect the service to be telling our commits to use us as placeholders any longer.

 

[Techster]

The way I understand it, Premier Players International was pushing for Welschof to go to Michigan more so for their own benefit, not Welschof's. They wanted to boost the reputation of their own service by getting him to go to one of the blue bloods rather than letting him go to GT. It's a different situation than most recruits because these Europeans essentially have agents doing most of the work for them. Welschof was free to choose whoever he wanted, but supposedly CPJ felt like he was misled by PPI and that led to a falling out. Again, it sounds like Collins has a much better relationship with Collier, so we shouldn't expect the service to be telling our commits to use us as placeholders any longer.

Eh, Welschoff and his family could have easily said "I want to go to GT". The guy got into GT and Michigan, both of which are elite academic schools, so the kid's not stupid. I'm sure him and his family did research, PLUS he'd be playing for one of the best defensive minds in football in Don Brown. At the end of the day, Welschoff is signing the papers, not Collier.

I just think the previous staff took one on the chin and didn't like it...and I don't blame them. Personally, Welschoff did what was best for him.

Put it this way: If Collier was as bad as some are making him out to be, I seriously doubt all the schools that work with him would continue to do so. TStan was here when Welschoff changed at the last minute, so if Collier and his company are that irreputable, TStan probably would have said something to CGC.

 

[YJMD]

There are plenty of people out there with big heads who respond to individual attention. Players, coaches, families, etc. But many of them are worth the price of admission if you're willing to pay it. I doubt CPJ was going to build the kind of relationship required with Collier for it to be worth it for us. But it seems Collins is different.

 

[GTRambler]

Well, I’be been a GT football fan for over five decades, and the annual football recruiting at The Flats has always centered around the average to slightly above average range. Generally speaking and across all football positions collectively across the board on an annual basis, nothing has been really poor and nothing has been really outstanding.

On the subject of football recruiting at Georgia Tech, I believe former coach George O’Leary summarized it best: “We will win with or without you.”

(Note: when O’Leary made this statement, it was about 20-25 years ago. O’Leary served as head coach from 1994 to 2001.)

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Well, I’be been a GT football fan for over five decades, and the annual football recruiting at The Flats has always centered around the average to slightly above average range. Generally speaking and across all football positions collectively across the board on an annual basis, nothing has been really poor and nothing has been really outstanding.

On the subject of football recruiting at Georgia Tech, I believe former coach George O’Leary summarized it best: “We will win with or without you.”

(Note: when O’Leary made this statement, it was about 20-25 years ago. O’Leary served as head coach from 1994 to 2001.)

O’Leary also said he knew every year which two teams had more talent on hand than Tech and would be hard to get Ws from. He refused to name which two schools that was but it was pretty easy to discern.

Since then the conference has expanded more and become a bit more competitive but not much else has really changed.

 

[ncjacket79]

Well, I’be been a GT football fan for over five decades, and the annual football recruiting at The Flats has always centered around the average to slightly above average range. Generally speaking and across all football positions collectively across the board on an annual basis, nothing has been really poor and nothing has been really outstanding.

On the subject of football recruiting at Georgia Tech, I believe former coach George O’Leary summarized it best: “We will win with or without you.”

(Note: when O’Leary made this statement, it was about 20-25 years ago. O’Leary served as head coach from 1994 to 2001.)

We actually haven’t been average for a while if you go by the rankings. They rank 100+ classes but our competition is the P5 or 65 teams. To be average in that group one would think we should be in the 30s which we haven’t done in a while. Not to say we don’t have good athlete, just that the rankings don’t show it.

 

[AlabamaBuzz]

We actually haven’t been average for a while if you go by the rankings. They rank 100+ classes but our competition is the P5 or 65 teams. To be average in that group one would think we should be in the 30s which we haven’t done in a while. Not to say we don’t have good athlete, just that the rankings don’t show it.

That is a very good way to look at it, NC. I don't think I had ever looked at the fact that our upper 40's to 50's recruiting ranking was actually much closer to the bottom of the P5 group. I always believed that if CPJ could improve his talent to the 30's or so, "katie, bar the door", especially on the D side. I had come to a point where I did not believe it would happen, and I think PJ also came to this knowledge point. It will be interesting to see if he is interested in coaching at another school where he does not have the STEM school handicap along with the 3O handicap.