Coach comparison rehash

jgtengineer

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It has nothing to do with CPJ vs CGC.

It has to do with a non- historic winning % vs P5 & ugag as being labeled historic and the desire to emulate it.

It has to do with dumbing down GT and not being the best we deserve to be.

It has to do with the complete dismissal of anything positive and the constant need to paint the old as only bad to support a narrative. The game itself changed from 2008 to 2018. We saw everyone else dumping millions upon millions of dollars into recruiting. We saw the rise and fall of entire social media platforms and methods of interaction. And we saw a shift in the student population and thus alumni population of the school from a crowd that valued football to one that's first exposure was likely setting foot on campus not only with declining youth participation but the trend of moving away from certain trends in the highschool level which means a shrinking fanbase.

Unfortunately things just started to fall apart and despite some great success hinting at the historic ability to perform the lack of support from the AA meant long term success was unsustainable.

Rule Changes also continued to hamper the way the game was played making the method of play out dated and eventually stale try doing tenuta's stunting defense when holding is basically legal see what happens last I checked it was tenuta getting shelled out of UVA by the quick passing and spread passing attacks of modern offenses. Johnson retired and honestly I don't blame him and he did it in such a way that it gave the AD the best amount of time out there to get ahead of the curve on a coaching search.

However, this isn't unheard of and no one looks back at say Bobby Bowden and says you know he sucked his last 3 years and that was all that mattered. Or the fact that Jimbo fisher won a natty then proceeded to drop off. Hell Ed Orgeron never had success until well... you get the point.

Our fanbase has this inane habit of completely discounting the positive in anything in the past. Even belittling the contributions of past student athletes because someone blows some smoke up their asses about how much better we can be while also getting more support out of the gate than any coach has here since maybe O'Leary.

Collins has done something amazing with our recruiting class and hats off to him for that. Now its time to see what he can do without the excuses. Johnson recruited to a system, with overworked coaches and a recruiting staff of 9 who also had other jobs for the majority of his time here. Collins has a General Manager, whose sole job is to scout new talent, a social media director and branding specialist, a recruiting staff, a staff of analysts and the benefit of the best excuse in the world for failing to perform.

On the UGA thing...

Oleary and gaily combined had the same amount of wins over the same amount of years. And in O'leary's case he had an offensive mastermind in friedgin running around alot with a heisman runner up at QB. Who knows if that would have been sustainable had o'leary stayed long enough to find out. Gailey of course never won.

But this is Georgia Tech lets do a little math.

Since Dodd we have had a .259 winning percentage against the dwags. It's a little worse if you go back to the last time dodd beat them as he lost the last 3 he played but for the sake of arguement using solely historical projection in 11 years we would be expected to win 2.85 games. Johnson won 3. However there was something rather historic about Johnsons wins compared to say O'leary's. They weren't in a cluster. Maybe you can count 14 and 16 in one but historically when coaches have had success against UGA its been in a cluster Oleary 3, ross 2, curry 2, carson 2. Pepper Rodgers was the only one other than johnson to win his first game against against uga. He is also the only coach to ever have his 2 wins staggered. So yeah Johnson was kind of historic. Just not in the way you intended the word.
 

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You know how people say "let's take this outside" when they wanna fight.

We should have a thread dedicated to CPJ vs CGC and that can be the outside these endless debates go to.

I have my opinion and I'm sure it will not change anytime soon, just like those who have the opposite opinion of mine. We will not change each other's minds so let's try to stop derailing threads.
 

WreckinGT

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You know how people say "let's take this outside" when they wanna fight.

We should have a thread dedicated to CPJ vs CGC and that can be the outside these endless debates go to.

I have my opinion and I'm sure it will not change anytime soon, just like those who have the opposite opinion of mine. We will not change each other's minds so let's try to stop derailing threads.
The derail happened because someone said they hope CGC has as much success or more than CPJ. Why that is such a controversial statement worthy of derailing another thread is beyond me.
 

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You know how people say "let's take this outside" when they wanna fight.

We should have a thread dedicated to CPJ vs CGC and that can be the outside these endless debates go to.

I have my opinion and I'm sure it will not change anytime soon, just like those who have the opposite opinion of mine. We will not change each other's minds so let's try to stop derailing threads.


Agreed. In fact, what about this: Why even bring CPJ into a discussion about a defensive summit in 2020? He’s not remotely related to the thread topic, and whoever brings him up has a (choose one) narrative, agenda, bone to pick, etc., etc., etc.), and whoever responds with an argument can’t resist taking the bait. But, since some still obviously want to talk about new-coach vs old-coach, the idea of a separate thread is a good one (or maybe even a separate board?) The rest of us can just tell the children to go play outside while the grownups talk.

OK, finished venting. Carry on.


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smokey_wasp

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The derail happened because someone said they hope CGC has as much success or more than CPJ. Why that is such a controversial statement worthy of derailing another thread is beyond me.

Umm. Bruh, did you read his whole post? If that was all he said, I doubt he would have gotten the pushback.

But I agree we oughtta drop it.
 

BleedGoldNWhite21

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I belittled nothing. I am pointing out that a lower win % vs ugag than Carson, Rodgers, curry, Ross, GO’L is not something to emulate. 2014, 2014, 2014 the greatest year ever. Great - yes. But not for eternity because we DID lose to duke & unc. It wasn’t 1990, 1952, 1966, or many others. A low to mid 50% winning rate vs P5 comp is not something I hope we have as a goal.

I guess greatness, things we want to repeat and historic are in the eyes of individuals.

It wasn’t 30 years ago, 68 years ago, or 54 years ago? You are comparing a season in the College Football Era with seasons three or more decades in the past. The player who made arguably the most memorable play of the year(The Kick) is currently one of the top players at his position in the NFL while you’re comparing 2014 with seasons where every guy who played is over 50 now. You are literally comparing modern football with the football equivalent of caveman paintings and you are wondering why fans are so enamored with that season? We had one of our best seasons ever just SIX seasons ago and you’re SURPRISED fans are proud of that season? We were a top 10 team SIX years ago. It’s not like we’ve been lost in the desert for 40 years.

I look to my younger brother for some perspective. You need to realize that any fans in their twenties are probably too young to remember anything before the 7 year drought caused by Richt, so CPJ was their first coach to beat UGA and he won an ACC title and made it to two OBs and had Tech’s only top 10 finish in their time as a fan. 2014 is relevant to them. It’s not ancient history. It’s the most magical time they’ve ever witnessed in Tech football.

No one is saying we can’t do better than 2014, but the last time we finished ranked higher was THIRTY YEARS AGO. Let people enjoy that magical season and let them love that season’s coach if they want. We don’t need to keep hashing this argument. Some fans clearly would happily give the lows of CPJ’s tenure for the highs and some fans clearly wouldn’t. Move on for Pete’s sake.
 

gtfan021

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CPJ is no longer with us. Whether you love him or hated him, he’s gone! Our new coach however is CGC, learn to love him or GTFO.. simple as that, don’t matter who the coach is at the time at Tech needs our support as fans. If he ends up doing terrible he will get replaced. Everyone needs to calm down we are only in Year 2. Can’t judge jack **** off of a coaches first full season with a new team.
 

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For the love for Dodd, why does every thread dissolve into a CPJ vs CGC debate?! Guys, take that crap elsewhere

That was not my intention when I mentioned CPJ the first time. I am actually excited to see Coach do these get togethers and want to see more of them. I take full responsibility and I apologize. I truly am hoping for the best and think Coach can potentially pull this off. He just needs to be like Dabo and get the best coaches possible and get out of the way like Dabo. Do his thing, building awareness and recruiting.
 

Pointer

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The derail happened because someone said they hope CGC has as much success or more than CPJ. Why that is such a controversial statement worthy of derailing another thread is beyond me.
Nothing to see here, just more derailing.

And there I go joining in.

Anyway, I hope your coaches are able to take some innovating ideas away from this. We will have a healthy line next year and some fresh talent infusion that hopefully pays dividends.

Would be awesome if we could get the same kind of summit going for the offensive side of the ball.
 
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