CFB PLAYOFF FINAL AND NO SEC

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the problem with this is like in the ACC in 2012? when Tech played FSU. Tech was 6-6 coming into the championship game. put up hell of a fight but lost. well if they would have won, would you want them in the Playoffs? i mean personally i would have just because **** happens and other sports pro or college that is possible. but most people would have an absolute fit. this scenario is why most conferences have gone to best 2 records instead of winning a division. to make sure the "best" teams are playing in the Conf Champ game to have the best shot to be in the CFP.

i personally dont care if what happens above happens. What I want to see Conf champs from all conf get a spot in the CFP. its a set defined goal to make it into the CFP. if you dont like that a team from the sunbelt gets into the CFP over a 11-1 uga/bama/mich/osu/etc. cuz they didnt win their conference, then go join one of those lesser conf and just dominate and get an easy path to the CFP. of course, this will never happen. just way to much money at this point for a team to leave the SEC/B1G/B12/ACC to do that.
I don't remember exactly....but wasn't that the year we were like third in our division, but one team ahead of us was suspended from post-season play and other team ahead of us had something weird happen that prevented them from playing in the championship game?
 

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I don't remember exactly....but wasn't that the year we were like third in our division, but one team ahead of us was suspended from post-season play and other team ahead of us had something weird happen that prevented them from playing in the championship game?
Miami and UNC. Miami self-banned to try and lessen coming sanctions, and UNC was already serving a ban from the NCAA.
 

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Miami and UNC. Miami self-banned to try and lessen coming sanctions, and UNC was already serving a ban from the NCAA.
Close game - lost to FSU 21-15. Tech drove from the 15 out to the 37 before Tevin Washington got intercepted on a first down pass with 1:17 to go.

 

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the problem with this is like in the ACC in 2012? when Tech played FSU. Tech was 6-6 coming into the championship game. put up hell of a fight but lost. well if they would have won, would you want them in the Playoffs? i mean personally i would have just because **** happens and other sports pro or college that is possible. but most people would have an absolute fit. this scenario is why most conferences have gone to best 2 records instead of winning a division. to make sure the "best" teams are playing in the Conf Champ game to have the best shot to be in the CFP.

i personally dont care if what happens above happens. What I want to see Conf champs from all conf get a spot in the CFP. its a set defined goal to make it into the CFP. if you dont like that a team from the sunbelt gets into the CFP over a 11-1 uga/bama/mich/osu/etc. cuz they didnt win their conference, then go join one of those lesser conf and just dominate and get an easy path to the CFP. of course, this will never happen. just way to much money at this point for a team to leave the SEC/B1G/B12/ACC to do that.
You make the CCGs the first round of the playoff. Winner moves on.
 

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I don't remember exactly....but wasn't that the year we were like third in our division, but one team ahead of us was suspended from post-season play and other team ahead of us had something weird happen that prevented them from playing in the championship game?

From Wikipedia:
With three teams tied for the first place in the Coastal Division, only Georgia Tech was eligible for the Championship Game. Miami self-imposed a postseason ban in a bid to lessen possible NCAA sanctions (see 2011 University of Miami athletics scandal). North Carolina was serving a one-year bowl ban handed down by the NCAA as part of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill football scandal.​

It was a 3-way tie for 1st place in the Coastal with all three at 5-3 conference records. First tiebreaker would have put UNC in the Championship Game, but they were ineligible. We lost to Miami during the season, so that gave them the tiebreaker over us but they chose to self-sanction themselves, so we were the 3rd choice. Also, overall records at the end of the season for the 3 were 8-4, 7-5, and 6-6. We've always thought of ourselves as the 3rd place finisher, but in reality we were tied for first in the Coastal, a down year for even Coastal standards.
 

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The B1G and SEC athletic directors are meeting in New Orleans on Feb.19th with the CFP Commissioners meeting a week later in Dallas. The article below gives a lot of detail on the various options that are being considered for the future, mostly after 2025. One excerpt from the article below.

"As part of an agreement struck last spring, the Big Ten and SEC believe they have authority over any change to the playoff format starting with the 2026 postseason, the first of a new six-year extension of the CFP. Changes for the 2025 playoff — unlikely at this point — require unanimity among the 10 FBS conference commissioners and Notre Dame’s athletic director."

I know we all recognize the financial strength of the B1G and SEC. I guess it concerns me that the ACC and Big 12 seemed to have relinquished their rights to at least have their input and vote count in decisions of this nature. Makes we wonder why the ACC and Big 12 are not forming their own "Alliance" to help maintain more influence in any future deliberations.

This is a pretty good read by Ross Dellenger.

 

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The B1G and SEC athletic directors are meeting in New Orleans on Feb.19th with the CFP Commissioners meeting a week later in Dallas. The article below gives a lot of detail on the various options that are being considered for the future, mostly after 2025. One excerpt from the article below.

"As part of an agreement struck last spring, the Big Ten and SEC believe they have authority over any change to the playoff format starting with the 2026 postseason, the first of a new six-year extension of the CFP. Changes for the 2025 playoff — unlikely at this point — require unanimity among the 10 FBS conference commissioners and Notre Dame’s athletic director."

I know we all recognize the financial strength of the B1G and SEC. I guess it concerns me that the ACC and Big 12 seemed to have relinquished their rights to at least have their input and vote count in decisions of this nature. Makes we wonder why the ACC and Big 12 are not forming their own "Alliance" to help maintain more influence in any future deliberations.

This is a pretty good read by Ross Dellenger.

Pretty clear the power play going on. Why we want to play in this pond is beyond me.
 

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The B1G and SEC athletic directors are meeting in New Orleans on Feb.19th with the CFP Commissioners meeting a week later in Dallas. The article below gives a lot of detail on the various options that are being considered for the future, mostly after 2025. One excerpt from the article below.

"As part of an agreement struck last spring, the Big Ten and SEC believe they have authority over any change to the playoff format starting with the 2026 postseason, the first of a new six-year extension of the CFP. Changes for the 2025 playoff — unlikely at this point — require unanimity among the 10 FBS conference commissioners and Notre Dame’s athletic director."

I know we all recognize the financial strength of the B1G and SEC. I guess it concerns me that the ACC and Big 12 seemed to have relinquished their rights to at least have their input and vote count in decisions of this nature. Makes we wonder why the ACC and Big 12 are not forming their own "Alliance" to help maintain more influence in any future deliberations.

This is a pretty good read by Ross Dellenger.

I think the 3-3-2-2-1-3 is the fairest (3 Big Ten, 3 SEC, 2 ACC, 2 Big Twelve, 1 Group of 5 and 3 at large). But the SEC and Big Ten will never give up their advantage and agree to that. I think the 4-4-2-2-1-1 (4 Big Ten, 4 SEC, 2 ACC, 2 Big Twelve, 1 Group of 5 and 1 wildcard is what the Big 2 would want at the least. If Notre Dame continues in the top 14, that would mean in effect no at large teams would get in. I just don't think that is good for College Football but at this point that doesn't seem to matter. Is all about the money.
 

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I think the 3-3-2-2-1-3 is the fairest (3 Big Ten, 3 SEC, 2 ACC, 2 Big Twelve, 1 Group of 5 and 3 at large). But the SEC and Big Ten will never give up their advantage and agree to that. I think the 4-4-2-2-1-1 (4 Big Ten, 4 SEC, 2 ACC, 2 Big Twelve, 1 Group of 5 and 1 wildcard is what the Big 2 would want at the least. If Notre Dame continues in the top 14, that would mean in effect no at large teams would get in. I just don't think that is good for College Football but at this point that doesn't seem to matter. Is all about the money.
Why not just go with the top 16 teams from the AP poll after the conf champ games are played?
 

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What I would like will not happen. First tell the SEC and Big 10 to stick it up their ( you know)
Then do like major league baseball.
Have two leagues .
Add the ACC and Big 10 to form one league, then add the Big 12 and SEC to form the other league. Each league has a playoff of 8 teams. Then the winners of the two leagues play in the World Series of College football.
Add this when ND asked how they would figure in tell them you should have joined a conference so too late you ain’t in.
Also teams in these two leagues can only play each other no smaller schools.
Last tell the players you sign to play at a school and you must play all 4 years at that school no portal.
 

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What I would like will not happen. First tell the SEC and Big 10 to stick it up their ( you know)
Then do like major league baseball.
Have two leagues .
Add the ACC and Big 10 to form one league, then add the Big 12 and SEC to form the other league. Each league has a playoff of 8 teams. Then the winners of the two leagues play in the World Series of College football.
Add this when ND asked how they would figure in tell them you should have joined a conference so too late you ain’t in.
Also teams in these two leagues can only play each other no smaller schools.
Last tell the players you sign to play at a school and you must play all 4 years at that school no portal.
The portal issue has been blown up by the courts. Maybe as athletes become employees, signing contracts might provide some options to help with stability. I am honestly okay with one transfer because kids might have gotten caught in a situation where they can't play at a certain school. My hang up is the two or three transfers which means a player has no regard for anyone but themselves. When I used to hire people, those who had a resume that showed they turned over jobs every year or two were of no interest to me. But unfortunately with the win now philosophy of many coaches, ethics are out the window. I would like to think the Power 4 could agree to something but I think the SEC and Big Ten think they can grab any player they want and don't want to give up that advantage.
 

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Athletes are not becoming employees. They may become independent contractors, but not employees.
That will depend entirely on the courts. The National Labor Relations Board has already declared that Dartmouth basketball players are employees. They don't even receive an athletic scholarship since they are Ivy League.

NCAA football and men's basketball has been run as a business for decades. Court decisions have been catching up to that in the last decade or so. I believe that under the legal and regulatory definition of an "independent contractor", they have control on when/how/etc to complete work. The company cannot directly dictate the workplace, hours, etc. Under that definition, student-athletes are not treated as independent contractors. They have to show up at the school's athletic facilities to practice at specific times. They have to show up at the school's athletic facilities to work out at certain times. If a school declares that student athletes are independent contractors, and a single student takes them to court, it seems pretty clear according to law/regulations that the student will win.

I may be wrong about the way they are wording the direct "NIL" payments, but I think they are being set up as payments for intellectual property. I think many coaches, and maybe some schools, will set them up as direct pay-for-play. Any student-athlete who is paid to perform sports activities, instead of for the broadcast rights of their name-image-likeness, could possibly file a court case to be declared an employee and be paid for violations of labor laws. I think they would likely win. Not based on what is right or what is wrong, but based on the actual laws and the actual way that NCAA sports are being run.

If the NCAA wants to be an actual amateur organization of academics entities whose students compete against each other in amateur athletic events, then they need to make drastic changes in the system. I think it is too late at this point. Anyone who believes that the athletes are the ones corrupting the system hasn't been paying attention to what has been happening for the last forty years. Schools, teams, ADs, coaches, boosters, TV, conferences have already corrupted sports. The athletes are only catching up to what NCAA athletics has already become.
 

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That will depend entirely on the courts. The National Labor Relations Board has already declared that Dartmouth basketball players are employees. They don't even receive an athletic scholarship since they are Ivy League.

NCAA football and men's basketball has been run as a business for decades. Court decisions have been catching up to that in the last decade or so. I believe that under the legal and regulatory definition of an "independent contractor", they have control on when/how/etc to complete work. The company cannot directly dictate the workplace, hours, etc. Under that definition, student-athletes are not treated as independent contractors. They have to show up at the school's athletic facilities to practice at specific times. They have to show up at the school's athletic facilities to work out at certain times. If a school declares that student athletes are independent contractors, and a single student takes them to court, it seems pretty clear according to law/regulations that the student will win.

I may be wrong about the way they are wording the direct "NIL" payments, but I think they are being set up as payments for intellectual property. I think many coaches, and maybe some schools, will set them up as direct pay-for-play. Any student-athlete who is paid to perform sports activities, instead of for the broadcast rights of their name-image-likeness, could possibly file a court case to be declared an employee and be paid for violations of labor laws. I think they would likely win. Not based on what is right or what is wrong, but based on the actual laws and the actual way that NCAA sports are being run.

If the NCAA wants to be an actual amateur organization of academics entities whose students compete against each other in amateur athletic events, then they need to make drastic changes in the system. I think it is too late at this point. Anyone who believes that the athletes are the ones corrupting the system hasn't been paying attention to what has been happening for the last forty years. Schools, teams, ADs, coaches, boosters, TV, conferences have already corrupted sports. The athletes are only catching up to what NCAA athletics has already become.
I don’t think this is entirely correct, although, I do agree it will be decided by the courts. Tye responsibilities of a contractor can be determined by the contract.
 

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I think the 3-3-2-2-1-3 is the fairest (3 Big Ten, 3 SEC, 2 ACC, 2 Big Twelve, 1 Group of 5 and 3 at large). But the SEC and Big Ten will never give up their advantage and agree to that. I think the 4-4-2-2-1-1 (4 Big Ten, 4 SEC, 2 ACC, 2 Big Twelve, 1 Group of 5 and 1 wildcard is what the Big 2 would want at the least. If Notre Dame continues in the top 14, that would mean in effect no at large teams would get in. I just don't think that is good for College Football but at this point that doesn't seem to matter. Is all about the money.

Like you, I favor the 3-3-2-2-1-3, but the SEC and B1G will push for and likely get the 4-4-2-2-1-1.

I think the ACC Commissioner should advocate for 16 teams and a format like 4-4-3-3-1-1 with no byes. The CFP selection committee's only duties would be to establish the seeding and pick one G5 team and select one at large team. Conference standings would account for 14 of the 16 teams.

If I understand correctly, the major reason for the move to 14 teams is so the top 2 seeds will get a bye (Likely the B1G and SEC). I like 16 teams because the ACC would be more likely to receive 3 automatic bids rather than 2. Plus, I think everyone should play 4 games. I think a top seed is reward enough. A bye gives too much of an advantage in a collision and injury prone sport like Football.
 
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