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bwelbo said:
Liberals following science isn't any more true than Conservstives following science. We are on a thread where one side thinks a triangle is a circle because the triangle says it's a circle. One side thinks a live unborn baby is not a live unborn baby even though we can extract the baby st various points up to halfway along gestation and it can live outside the womb. One side pushes for strong use of green energy to stop global warming even though even hitting 25% reduction of carbon emissions would only reduce temperatures by 0.03 degrees. One side pushes a widely refuted economic analysis by a known Socialist Economist pushing Socialist Exonomic policies (he ignored all kinds of tax and income sources just to name a few).

Saying one side has a stronger adherence to science than the other is just plain false. It's just a marketing line to try and claim a more correct position.
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Hmm. Wonder if I could guess who the good guys are in your scheme?
 

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Hmm. Wonder if I could guess who the good guys are in your scheme?
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I of course did not mention how the right side bastardizes science, but they do it too. I am in a discussion with the left who thinks they own science, so it was important to only call out the silliness in that regard on that side of the fence.
 
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LOL. I readily state there is no evidence, anywhere that I have seen, Obama was not born in the US. Even if so his mother was American and he would be provided citenship through her even if born in Kenya. Few I know or know of believe otherwise...outside of Trump ;)

Liberals, almost to an individual, believe in AGW and believe it to soon be a catastrophic problem for humanity.
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So what you're saying here is that you do agree that he's a Muslim. Glad we cleared that up.

(And because this has to be said thanks to the internet and before anyone gets triggered: this is a joke.)
 
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That's silly. First of all it was one city staying non-discrimination rules for contractors and city property, not the state. it has never been illegal for a man to go jnto a women's bathroom. But any kind of harassment, physical conduct, etc has been. All Charlotte was saying is that you could not prevent a transgender person from using the bathroom they felt appropriate. Any kind of contact was still
Illegal. I think the idea that some guy is going to claim he's transgender to get some kind of scholarship is ignorant and basically impossible to pull off over a 4 year career when people are watching everything you do.
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We'll see.

http://www.courant.com/sports/hc-jacobs-column-yearwood-transgender-0531-20170530-column.html
 
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Smh......no amount of hormone therapy levels the playing field. If a male wants to identity as female...this is the land of the free...have at it. Letting same male compete athletically against true females, tramples upon those individual's freedom to compete fairly.

Bottom line...born male, identify as female all u want, but compete against males.
 
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forensicbuzz said:
As the father of five (two who have competed at the HS level), I understand the father's position.
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How would you feel if Kate Hall was your daughter?

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"As her father, I never think about it as competition," Rahsaan Yearwood said. "This is not about winning and losing races. This is about the health of my teenage daughter.

"In terms of the fairness aspect, I don't think about that as a father. I only think about, is my daughter happy, healthy and able to participate in what she wants to do? I don't care if she wins or loses. I don't care if she wins and gives the medals back. She got to compete as a girl where she feels she should compete. That's all that matters to me."

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"Overall, I'm happy," Andraya said. "My goal was to get first in my events, which I did. I wanted to get personal records, which I didn't.

"Obviously, I've gotten some negative attention [just go on the internet] but I don't worry about it much. I've gotten a lot of good attention for who I am, which is really nice; it helps me with my race."

Dad-..."I think anyone who makes a 15-year-old running in Class M in Connecticut into a bigger story than it needs to be — this is not someone that transitioned as a senior trying to get a scholarship to college," he said. "This is someone who has been working toward this her whole life.

"Having played football, there are guys who were 350 pounds," Rahsaan Yearwood said. "It wasn't fair that as a 225-pound linebacker, they came to block me, but that's the nature of the beast."


I personally think this dad is talking out of both sides of his...mouth...Yes he cares about his child, that's great...but at the expense of other children and with no regard for them at all. Not what I consider to be worthy of praise.
 
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How would you feel if Kate Hall was your daughter?

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"As her father, I never think about it as competition," Rahsaan Yearwood said. "This is not about winning and losing races. This is about the health of my teenage daughter.

"In terms of the fairness aspect, I don't think about that as a father. I only think about, is my daughter happy, healthy and able to participate in what she wants to do? I don't care if she wins or loses. I don't care if she wins and gives the medals back. She got to compete as a girl where she feels she should compete. That's all that matters to me."

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"Overall, I'm happy," Andraya said. "My goal was to get first in my events, which I did. I wanted to get personal records, which I didn't.

"Obviously, I've gotten some negative attention [just go on the internet] but I don't worry about it much. I've gotten a lot of good attention for who I am, which is really nice; it helps me with my race."

Dad-..."I think anyone who makes a 15-year-old running in Class M in Connecticut into a bigger story than it needs to be — this is not someone that transitioned as a senior trying to get a scholarship to college," he said. "This is someone who has been working toward this her whole life.

"Having played football, there are guys who were 350 pounds," Rahsaan Yearwood said. "It wasn't fair that as a 225-pound linebacker, they came to block me, but that's the nature of the beast."


I personally think this dad is talking out of both sides of his...mouth...Yes he cares about his child, that's great...but at the expense of other children and with no regard for them at all. Not what I consider to be worthy of praise.
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I think the Dad is satantic and evil. Lucipher wanted to be his own God and was thrown from heaven into hell. Satan worship is essentially the worship of yourself. All your morals, thoughts, and feelings are all derived from doing only what suits you, often at the expense of everyone else. The Dad fits that definition perfectly to me, and he's instilling it into his son.

I also think its child abuse. Everyone knows that children's brains aren't fully developed until the mid-20s. You can't even be diagnosed with a personality or psychological disorder until then technically. You can test and show strong signs that you're headed that way, but there is no guarantee in it until your brain is fully developed.

I think the linebacker quote says it all. Its not fair that someone was bigger than me. What a deluded family.
 
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Whiskey_Clear said:
How would you feel if Kate Hall was your daughter?

Boys Dad-...
"As her father, I never think about it as competition," Rahsaan Yearwood said. "This is not about winning and losing races. This is about the health of my teenage daughter.

"In terms of the fairness aspect, I don't think about that as a father. I only think about, is my daughter happy, healthy and able to participate in what she wants to do? I don't care if she wins or loses. I don't care if she wins and gives the medals back. She got to compete as a girl where she feels she should compete. That's all that matters to me."

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"Overall, I'm happy," Andraya said. "My goal was to get first in my events, which I did. I wanted to get personal records, which I didn't.

"Obviously, I've gotten some negative attention [just go on the internet] but I don't worry about it much. I've gotten a lot of good attention for who I am, which is really nice; it helps me with my race."

Dad-..."I think anyone who makes a 15-year-old running in Class M in Connecticut into a bigger story than it needs to be — this is not someone that transitioned as a senior trying to get a scholarship to college," he said. "This is someone who has been working toward this her whole life.

"Having played football, there are guys who were 350 pounds," Rahsaan Yearwood said. "It wasn't fair that as a 225-pound linebacker, they came to block me, but that's the nature of the beast."


I personally think this dad is talking out of both sides of his...mouth...Yes he cares about his child, that's great...but at the expense of other children and with no regard for them at all. Not what I consider to be worthy of praise.
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Maybe, but I can empathize with what he's saying. He's only interested in his kid, and what is going to make his kid happy; I get that's selfish, but who amongst us don't want their children to be happy and healthy? That's a tough situation for him (Dad).

I also agree that it's not fair, and I understand that boys and girls have different physiological strengths, which provides Yearwood an unfair advantage. The problem is as soon exceptions to the rules are allowed, it becomes a judgment call and additional exceptions are added and additional exceptions are piled on until the original concept becomes so distorted and to no longer resemble the original concept.

The issue as I see it is that we've become so accommodating to the individual and the individual's needs, that we've lost sight of how these accommodation create unfair conditions for the world surrounding the individual. Should we make sure that transgender people (including kids) are not discriminated against? Of course we should. I don't think anyone questions that. But as I said, upholding the rights of a minority should not infringe on the rights of the majority.

Sometimes tough choices have to be made. Girls compete in boys events all the time, so Andraya can compete with the boys. She still gets to compete, she has every advantage the other boys have, and the competition is fair.

BTW, I grew up in Connecticut, so I know both of these schools pretty well.
 

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Maybe, but I can empathize with what he's saying. He's only interested in his kid, and what is going to make his kid happy; I get that's selfish, but who amongst us don't want their children to be happy and healthy? That's a tough situation for him (Dad).

I also agree that it's not fair, and I understand that boys and girls have different physiological strengths, which provides Yearwood an unfair advantage. The problem is as soon exceptions to the rules are allowed, it becomes a judgment call and additional exceptions are added and additional exceptions are piled on until the original concept becomes so distorted and to no longer resemble the original concept.

The issue as I see it is that we've become so accommodating to the individual and the individual's needs, that we've lost sight of how these accommodation create unfair conditions for the world surrounding the individual. Should we make sure that transgender people (including kids) are not discriminated against? Of course we should. I don't think anyone questions that. But as I said, upholding the rights of a minority should not infringe on the rights of the majority.

Sometimes tough choices have to be made. Girls compete in boys events all the time, so Andraya can compete with the boys. She still gets to compete, she has every advantage the other boys have, and the competition is fair.

BTW, I grew up in Connecticut, so I know both of these schools pretty well.
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Good points. But it's not healthy to tell your son he can compete on girls events. It's not healthy to tell your son he is a girl either. That's where this all goes astray from the start. If they had been honest that he has a disphoria and isn't really a girl, then he would know he can rename himself, dress differently, etc. but he's not actually a girl. So he wouldn't expect to be able to compete with them. The suicide attempt rate is sky high in this group of people in my opinion because of garbage like this - his parents are setting him up for a lifetime of conflict and uncomfortable situations.

I mean think about that- they want their son to be happy but it's unfair the OL blocking him is 300 pounds. That is outright insanity.
 

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I think the Dad is satantic and evil. Lucipher wanted to be his own God and was thrown from heaven into hell. Satan worship is essentially the worship of yourself. All your morals, thoughts, and feelings are all derived from doing only what suits you, often at the expense of everyone else. The Dad fits that definition perfectly to me, and he's instilling it into his son.

I also think its child abuse. Everyone knows that children's brains aren't fully developed until the mid-20s. You can't even be diagnosed with a personality or psychological disorder until then technically. You can test and show strong signs that you're headed that way, but there is no guarantee in it until your brain is fully developed.

I think the linebacker quote says it all. Its not fair that someone was bigger than me. What a deluded family.
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Well, I am confused.
 
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bwelbo said:
Good points. But it's not healthy to tell your son he can compete on girls events. It's not healthy to tell your son he is a girl either. That's where this all goes astray from the start. If they had been honest that he has a disphoria and isn't really a girl, then he would know he can rename himself, dress differently, etc. but he's not actually a girl. So he wouldn't expect to be able to compete with them. The suicide attempt rate is sky high in this group of people in my opinion because of garbage like this - his parents are setting him up for a lifetime of conflict and uncomfortable situations.

I mean think about that- they want their son to be happy but it's unfair the OL blocking him is 300 pounds. That is outright insanity.
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How old are you? Do you have a family and kids? If so, how old are they?

I'm not attacking you or trying to make any points, I'm just trying to understand your perspective.
 

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How old are you? Do you have a family and kids? If so, how old are they?

I'm not attacking you or trying to make any points, I'm just trying to understand your perspective.
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I'm in my 40s with a mid-teenager and an 11 year old.
 
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