That is not what I said. AZ was a legit #2, but they had a few games this year like the one they played tonight. Clemson is not a powerhouse, so a #6 beating #2 should be a big deal deal. What I meant was AZ was capable of this type of game and showed it during the season.Yep, only reason ACC team got another win was because their opponent really sucked
Worst rated 2 seed ever
I know that, it’s just everytime GT or an ACC does something good out comes the asterisk brigade. Damn, the ACC is clobbering the competition. The underrepresentation this year was horrendous, but we’re numb to it because it’s an annual occurrenceThat is not what I said. AZ was a legit #2, but they had a few games this year like the one they played tonight. Clemson is not a powerhouse, so a #6 beating #2 should be a big deal deal. What I meant was AZ was capable of this type of game and showed it during the season.
Not the Mountain West, but South Carolina has a bigger fan base (or a higher spending one) than PittThat might explain UNC getting a 1 over Iowa State or Kentucky getting a 3.
It most definitely does not explain South Carolina or all of the Mountain West bids.
What does that mean? I am seriously perplexed. Spend what where?Not the Mountain West, but South Carolina has a bigger fan base (or a higher spending one) than Pitt
The pace of the UNC - Bama game is insane. Combined 17-30 from 3 point range. GoodnessThings I didn't think could happen: RJ Davis has 2 points on 1-8 shooting and UNC leads by 8 at halftime against anyone.
No one - no one - is arguing whether or not UNC or UK deserve to be in the NCAAT. Absolutely no one. This is about equity of invites when a bunch of teams are relatively even. The ACC has been being shafted among those teams now for 5+ years. It is unfairly costing the ACC lots of dollars while (again) enriching the richest. Most of the money from the NCAAT is generated the first weekend when the most games are played. Whether these teams win or lose, they get a share.
This season, the SEC got 8 invites: UT, UK, Bama, and 5 various next-level teams. The B12 also got 8 invites: Houston, Iowa St, and BYU, and 3-4 other next-level teams. Well, the ACC had 3-4 next-level teams as well in addition to UNC, Dook, and Clemson. Namely, Pitt, Wake, UVA, NCSU, and Syracuse. Yet, Pit and Wake, particularly, were left to pound sand and UVA was given a play-in game. Why? The point isw, once you get past the top-shelf teams and are into the next-level teams that are in the same bucket, dispense those more equitably. The ACC, particularly, has shown its competitiveness year after year.
You completely miss the point. I’m done.Except you are using conference wide numbers as a whole which implies that the performance of Kentucky, or any other team that got in, somehow is reflective of the conference not deserving as many invites. However, Kentucky's performance is theirs alone. Just like UVA's complete bombing isn't a negative reflection on any team but them. That's why it is silly to look at things like conference totals and conference achievement, especially in the context of a single elimination tournament.
Instead of looking at the conference as a whole, you should be looking at the teams actually relevant to the dynamic.
From the SEC, Auburn, SCar, and UF shouldn't be lumped in with TAMU and MSU. I see no argument at all for leaving any of the former out.
From the Big 12 there was those 3 but there is no reason to group Baylor, Texas Tech Kansas, and Texas in the same grouping as TCU.
No, they are not all in the same bucket once you get past the top of the conference.
Most of the top conference got one or two marginal teams in. SEC got Miss State with maybe TAMU in there was well. Big 12 got TCU. Big 10 got Northwestern. Pac 12 got Washington State and Oregon as an auto bid. The ACC got UVA and NCSU as an autobid. The big east is the conference that got screwed with none of their marginal teams in there.
Yeah, Pitt thinks they should be in there. So does Oklahoma, Cinci, Ohio State, Utah, and a couple of Big east teams. Not to mention Indiana state. There will always be teams left out that feel they should have been in, because there is never going to be a clear and distinctive line right at where the committee needs to make one. But the ACC wasn't shut out of marginal bids, nor were a particularly high number of marginal bids the reason why the SEC and Big 12 had the most.
What did Texas do that said they should be in? They have almost the exact same resume as TCU. As I wrote this afternoon, neither belonged in this tourney over Seton Hall or Pitt.Except you are using conference wide numbers as a whole which implies that the performance of Kentucky, or any other team that got in, somehow is reflective of the conference not deserving as many invites. However, Kentucky's performance is theirs alone. Just like UVA's complete bombing isn't a negative reflection on any team but them. That's why it is silly to look at things like conference totals and conference achievement, especially in the context of a single elimination tournament.
Instead of looking at the conference as a whole, you should be looking at the teams actually relevant to the dynamic.
From the SEC, Auburn, SCar, and UF shouldn't be lumped in with TAMU and MSU. I see no argument at all for leaving any of the former out.
From the Big 12 there was those 3 but there is no reason to group Baylor, Texas Tech Kansas, and Texas in the same grouping as TCU.
No, they are not all in the same bucket once you get past the top of the conference.
Most of the top conference got one or two marginal teams in. SEC got Miss State with maybe TAMU in there was well. Big 12 got TCU. Big 10 got Northwestern. Pac 12 got Washington State and Oregon as an auto bid. The ACC got UVA and NCSU as an autobid. The big east is the conference that got screwed with none of their marginal teams in there.
Yeah, Pitt thinks they should be in there. So does Oklahoma, Cinci, Ohio State, Utah, and a couple of Big east teams. Not to mention Indiana state. There will always be teams left out that feel they should have been in, because there is never going to be a clear and distinctive line right at where the committee needs to make one. But the ACC wasn't shut out of marginal bids, nor were a particularly high number of marginal bids the reason why the SEC and Big 12 had the most.
He’s going back to rankings and NET despite the facts that have shown they’re screwed. Those teams aren’t better than mid-tier ACC teams. The top 2-3 jn each conf are the top-tier and the next 3-4 in each conf are the next level teams. There are no “ACC of the 80’s” 5/6-deep with top teams anymore. The rise of the mid-majors stripped that out. Polls and metrics that position them that way are showing bias, maybe not purposeful bias but bias (as in statistical error consistently beneficial to certain conferences).What did Texas do that said they should be in? They have almost the exact same resume as TCU. As I wrote this afternoon, neither belonged in this tourney over Seton Hall or Pitt.
What makes Virginia a marginal team that doesn't also make Texas Tech and BYU marginal teams? TBH, it appears to me that UVa has a better resume than either of those schools. To be clear, I think all of those schools belonged in the tourney, but UVa should not have been on the bubble if Texas Tech and BYU are in easily. So, I would argue that the ACC didn't receive any marginal bids, while there was at least one school (Pitt) who clearly belonged if you focus on winning basketball games.Except you are using conference wide numbers as a whole which implies that the performance of Kentucky, or any other team that got in, somehow is reflective of the conference not deserving as many invites. However, Kentucky's performance is theirs alone. Just like UVA's complete bombing isn't a negative reflection on any team but them. That's why it is silly to look at things like conference totals and conference achievement, especially in the context of a single elimination tournament.
Instead of looking at the conference as a whole, you should be looking at the teams actually relevant to the dynamic.
From the SEC, Auburn, SCar, and UF shouldn't be lumped in with TAMU and MSU. I see no argument at all for leaving any of the former out.
From the Big 12 there was those 3 but there is no reason to group Baylor, Texas Tech Kansas, and Texas in the same grouping as TCU.
No, they are not all in the same bucket once you get past the top of the conference.
Most of the top conference got one or two marginal teams in. SEC got Miss State with maybe TAMU in there was well. Big 12 got TCU. Big 10 got Northwestern. Pac 12 got Washington State and Oregon as an auto bid. The ACC got UVA and NCSU as an autobid. The big east is the conference that got screwed with none of their marginal teams in there.
Yeah, Pitt thinks they should be in there. So does Oklahoma, Cinci, Ohio State, Utah, and a couple of Big east teams. Not to mention Indiana state. There will always be teams left out that feel they should have been in, because there is never going to be a clear and distinctive line right at where the committee needs to make one. But the ACC wasn't shut out of marginal bids, nor were a particularly high number of marginal bids the reason why the SEC and Big 12 had the most.
What did Texas do that said they should be in? They have almost the exact same resume as TCU. As I wrote this afternoon, neither belonged in this tourney over Seton Hall or Pitt.
What makes Virginia a marginal team that doesn't also make Texas Tech and BYU marginal teams? TBH, it appears to me that UVa has a better resume than either of those schools.
Was watching with my wife GT ME / UNC MBA - and we said the same. Dude even caught the block of the desperation heave in the last possession. Went what, 10/11 from the FT?I want Alabama’s center.
He was a game changer.
Bama played solid defense on Davis. UNC took out Cadeau and Trimble as they needed some size to defend Nelson. That didn’t really work. Withers put up a terrible 3 with UNC up 2. Then a stupid foul on Nelson who made the basket and FT. That changed the game.Not sure why UNC decided to stop running any semblance of an offensive play in the last few minutes besides RJ Davis trying to beat his man one on one, but they gave the game away.
AGREED Withers lived up to his name with that crazy 3 so early in the shot clock. Unacceptable.Bama played solid defense on Davis. UNC took out Cadeau and Trimble as they needed some size to defend Nelson. That didn’t really work. Withers put up a terrible 3 with UNC up 2. Then a stupid foul on Nelson who made the basket and FT. That changed the game.