ACC Bowl Discussion

bobongo

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,736
Playing a hard ooc schedule is just shooting yourself in the foot, focus on winning conf games and try to get in the playoffs
A hard OOC schedule makes you more relevant, sparks more interest, and puts more butts in the seats. On top of that, it has nothing to do with your conference schedule, and if you win the conference, you're in the playoff. I don't think the OOC schedule should be brutal but playing four patty cakes is just boring. Tech has it right - Ugag, one other P-4, a G-5, and one patty cake. That's a reasonable OOC schedule, IMO.
 

bobongo

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,736
We have this discussion every year. Fans on one side of the argument hate wasting their time watching us beat up on cupcakes and would rather schedule more marque opponents. Fans on the other side point to Duke’s record and say they have a much easier time having a good record and going to better bowls.

I’m somewhere in the middle, and as long as we are playing uga as one of our 4 OOC games, we automatically have a tougher-than-average schedule. Back when Clemson was our permanent crossover rival and we struggled to win 3 games, I argued for an easier OOC schedule since we perennially had the hardest in the conference. Now it is not as bad, although the luck of the draw still factors in, like this year having uga and ND as half of our OOC schedule.

Bottom line we have limited options for OOC but teams like Colorado make sense – good visibility for us but not as likely for us to be a 3-score dog.
I didn't initially like Clemson being dropped as a perineal conference opponent, but given the structure of the playoffs, with the conference champ getting a near automatic bid, I can see why it was done.
 

billga99

Ramblin' Wreck
Messages
852
A hard OOC schedule makes you more relevant, sparks more interest, and puts more butts in the seats. On top of that, it has nothing to do with your conference schedule, and if you win the conference, you're in the playoff. I don't think the OOC schedule should be brutal but playing four patty cakes is just boring. Tech has it right - Ugag, one other P-4, a G-5, and one patty cake. That's a reasonable OOC schedule, IMO.
Except overall record does matter if you don't win your conference. SMU would have no chance to make the playoffs with 3 losses even though they went undefeated in ACC. If UGA remains a permanent OOC opponent, I would rather have 3 very winnable games.
 

UgaBlows

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,004
A hard OOC schedule makes you more relevant, sparks more interest, and puts more butts in the seats. On top of that, it has nothing to do with your conference schedule, and if you win the conference, you're in the playoff. I don't think the OOC schedule should be brutal but playing four patty cakes is just boring. Tech has it right - Ugag, one other P-4, a G-5, and one patty cake. That's a reasonable OOC schedule, IMO.
A team that didn’t even make the ccg would have a good argument to get in with 10 wins, hell even dook would have been in the mix if they had one more win this season. I’m good with playing uga and three local tomato cans-(mercer, ga state, ksu, west ga, etc) please just keep your unnecessary Ole Miss, UCF, etc beatdowns, save your plays, strategies and your players health for conf play.
 

bobongo

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,736
Except overall record does matter if you don't win your conference. SMU would have no chance to make the playoffs with 3 losses even though they went undefeated in ACC. If UGA remains a permanent OOC opponent, I would rather have 3 very winnable games.
One P-4 (say, Colorado), one G-5 and one patsy seems reasonable to me. I know SMU got in with a weak SOS but that was a make up call for last year's snub of FSU IMO.
SOS does matter.
 

UgaBlows

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,004
One P-4 (say, Colorado), one G-5 and one patsy seems reasonable to me. I know SMU got in with a weak SOS but that was a make up call for last year's snub of FSU IMO.
SOS does matter.
Some years maybe but this year (and maybe most every year going forward because of transfer/nil parity) everyone had 2-3 losses, any P4 team with 2 or fewer losses would have been in. I don’t believe the committee cares about a make-up call to the acc for ‘23 fsu for a second.
 

UgaBlows

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,004
One P-4 (say, Colorado), one G-5 and one patsy seems reasonable to me. I know SMU got in with a weak SOS but that was a make up call for last year's snub of FSU IMO.
SOS does matter.
Colorado, in Boulder freaking mile-high CO is a team that may very well beat us- even if we are really damned good next season. That alone could be enough to keep us out of the playoffs, even if we have a great rest of the season. It could be the difference btwn 10 or 9 wins, Why risk it?
 

stech81

Helluva Engineer
Messages
8,959
Location
Woodstock Georgia
Colorado, in Boulder freaking mile-high CO is a team that may very well beat us- even if we are really damned good next season. That alone could be enough to keep us out of the playoffs, even if we have a great rest of the season. It could be the difference btwn 10 or 9 wins, Why risk it?
It’s a non-conference game and if you have only one loss earlier in the season is better.
 

bobongo

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,736
Colorado, in Boulder freaking mile-high CO is a team that may very well beat us- even if we are really damned good next season. That alone could be enough to keep us out of the playoffs, even if we have a great rest of the season. It could be the difference btwn 10 or 9 wins, Why risk it?
Because that's what makes it fun and exhilarating as opposed to beating a cream muffin, which is boring and pointless. Also puts a lot more eyes on the program.
And also, if we can't beat Colorado we're probably not going to the playoffs, anyway. So, I say go for it. Win and we're in the spotlight right out of the gate.
Audaces fortuna iuvat - Fortune favors the bold.
 
Last edited:

slugboy

Moderator
Staff member
Messages
11,725
Colorado, in Boulder freaking mile-high CO is a team that may very well beat us- even if we are really damned good next season. That alone could be enough to keep us out of the playoffs, even if we have a great rest of the season. It could be the difference btwn 10 or 9 wins, Why risk it?
They’ll be favored, I’m sure
 

Randy Carson

Helluva Engineer
Messages
1,390
Location
Apex, NC
Colorado, in Boulder freaking mile-high CO is a team that may very well beat us- even if we are really damned good next season. That alone could be enough to keep us out of the playoffs, even if we have a great rest of the season. It could be the difference btwn 10 or 9 wins, Why risk it?
Being acclimated to the altitude - or not - is a thing.

Aug 30 - first game of the season. Our guys are going to be struggling with hydration and cramping and likely to be out of gas late in this game. Meanwhile, CO is going to try to run our secondary out of the stadium with their pass-happy offense.

If we control time of possession with long drives, that will help our defensive backs.
 

bobongo

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,736
Being acclimated to the altitude - or not - is a thing.

Aug 30 - first game of the season. Our guys are going to be struggling with hydration and cramping and likely to be out of gas late in this game. Meanwhile, CO is going to try to run our secondary out of the stadium with their pass-happy offense.

If we control time of possession with long drives, that will help our defensive backs.
Sheddur and Travis won't be there:

1733954910905.png
 

roadkill

Helluva Engineer
Messages
1,921
Except overall record does matter if you don't win your conference. SMU would have no chance to make the playoffs with 3 losses even though they went undefeated in ACC. If UGA remains a permanent OOC opponent, I would rather have 3 very winnable games.
After some consideration, I agree.

Tough OOC scheduling means that you have a narrower and more risky path to the CFP. Clemson did it by winning the ACC, but otherwise their 3 losses (2 OOC) would have been a disqualifier. Not only that but it took a last-game Miami loss to even get them into the championship.

Conversely, SMU had one close OOC loss to the only good OOC team they played. Otherwise they had a relatively easy OOC schedule. Their close loss in their conference championship game was enough to get into the playoff.

Bottom line, for a CFP bid (with few exceptions) you need to a) win enough conference games to get into your conference championship, and b) win it if you have multiple OOC losses, or just look good if you don’t.
I’ve concluded that scheduling relatively winnable OOC games is the easier path to the playoffs, if that’s your goal. If for example we had gone 7-1 in the ACC, made it to the championship, but lost a close one to Clemson like SMU did, our losses to ND and uga would have disqualified us from the CFP. Would anyone prefer that over getting to the CFP with a chance at making some noise? I wouldn’t.
 

FredJacket

Helluva Engineer
Messages
6,290
Location
Fredericksburg, Virginia
You don't know if you needed an easy or hard ooc schedule until the season is over. Easy works if you only lose 1 or (maybe) 2 games. Once you hit that 3rd loss... you need it to be a very difficult schedule.

Indiana would have been out with a 2nd loss. Alabama would have been in with another win over strong-ish P4 team (instead of Mercer). They were knocking at the door with the SoS argument.

It's easy to say schedule soft out of conference but unless you actually navigate that to a playoff spot... having 25% of your schedule against weak opposition isn't any fun.
 

4shotB

Helluva Engineer
Retired Staff
Messages
5,132
It’s almost like we have people in charge who think ahead.
Us ol' timers just have a hard time with this. We want to believe but have a hard time letting go of our past fears and insecurities. I saw the exact same thing today on the hallmark channel, where there was this big time female CEO who was very succesful but also very lonely. She went on a quick getaway to the mountains to clear her head where she meets a guy with a golden retriever who carved duck decoys and built furniture for a living. He was a widower who lost his wife early in a tragic fly fishing incident. I won't ruin the rest of it for you but PM me if you want more details. BTW, it's replaying tomorrow at 3 PM EST, 2 PM CST. If you watch it you will want some Kleenex. According to my friend of course who saw it.
 

78pike

Ramblin' Wreck
Messages
899
Colorado, in Boulder freaking mile-high CO is a team that may very well beat us- even if we are really damned good next season. That alone could be enough to keep us out of the playoffs, even if we have a great rest of the season. It could be the difference btwn 10 or 9 wins, Why risk it?
Or it could vault us up in the rankings assuming they start the season ranked. The problem for teams like us is we don't get to start the season ranked in the top ten like the blue bloods making it harder to reach the CFP. We have to have signature wins to leapfrog teams in the rankings whereas there are some teams that get that level gifted to them and just have to win to maintain their status.
 

bobongo

Helluva Engineer
Messages
7,736
Or it could vault us up in the rankings assuming they start the season ranked. The problem for teams like us is we don't get to start the season ranked in the top ten like the blue bloods making it harder to reach the CFP. We have to have signature wins to leapfrog teams in the rankings whereas there are some teams that get that level gifted to them and just have to win to maintain their status.
And besides all that, we're supposed to be the "brave and bold", not the timid and timorous.
 
Last edited:
Top