5Dimes: Odds to Win ACC

[CuseJacket]

2015 Odds to Win the ACC Championship at 5Dimes as of February 13:
Clemson +250
Florida State +300
Georgia Tech +400
Duke +800
Louisville +800
Virginia Tech +800
NC State +1000
Miami FL +1500
Pittsburgh +1500
North Carolina +2000
Boston College +3000
Virginia +3000
Syracuse +6000
Wake Forest +6000

Here were the odds prior to 2014...

2014 Odds to Win the ACC Championship at Bovada as of August 18:
Florida State 1/3
Clemson 10/1
Louisville 10/1
Miami 12/1
North Carolina 12/1
Virginia Tech 12/1
Duke 20/1
Georgia Tech 25/1
Pittsburgh 40/1
Syracuse 66/1
Virginia 66/1
NC State 100/1
Boston College 200/1
Wake Forest 200/1

http://www.oddsshark.com/ncaaf/acc-football-betting-preview

 

[305jacket]

VT +800 is probably the only line I would take there.

 

[ybeenormal]

No way man! Got to jump on that UNC at +2000. This is definitely their year........... oh wait, that's every year

 

[cyptomcat]

Interesting that GT and Miami have the same Atlantic matchups: Clemson and FSU

VT's are much easier with BC and NC State. UNC's are easy too, Wake Forest and NC State.

It seems like the main contenders in Coastal should all have about the same chance. GT, VT, Miami and UNC.

I still have trouble taking Duke seriously.

 

[DC Bee]

Clemson and F$U lose a ton of players and they're the favorites. GT is returning more than it's losing and we're the 3rd pick. Oh well. Go prove them wrong again Jackets.

 

[4shotB]

I still have trouble taking Duke seriously.

I did too until I saw them on Grant Field last fall. they were a good looking football team with pretty good athletes everywhere. They were a better team than Tech, at least on that Saturday. They are not a team to be taken lightly anymore.David C. has done a fantastic job there (whether people like him or not).

 

[dressedcheeseside]

I did too until I saw them on Grant Field last fall. they were a good looking football team with pretty good athletes everywhere. They were a better team than Tech, at least on that Saturday. They are not a team to be taken lightly anymore.David C. has done a fantastic job there (whether people like him or not).

How do you think we would have done if we played them 10 times?

 

[Northeast Stinger]

How do you think we would have done if we played them 10 times?

Great rhetorical question.

Yeah, I have trouble taking Duke seriously too. They had a cup cake schedule and still struggled to beat Pitt in 2 OT. Likewise they struggled against Virginia. To be sure, they can get up for a game here or there but they still lost to the first tough game on their schedule, Miami, as well as losing to VPI after they had totally fallen apart as a team, as well as losing to UNC when they had the Coastal Division on the line, as well as losing to Arizona State with a month to get ready for them.

In a 10 game series we beat the nine times.

 

[Skeptic]

No way man! Got to jump on that UNC at +2000. This is definitely their year........... oh wait, that's every year

True, true. But ain't it grand that Fedora has such a stunning offense?

 

[33jacket]

have to get rid of cross division lock ins IMO. Why is it fair for Duke to play Wake every year, and VT whoever, but GT gets Clemson? Miami gets FSU. Blah blah blah. UNC gets who NC state? LOL

that is basically one guaranteed in conf win for them each year we don't have.

am i suggesting we stop playing clemson? No, maybe the divisions have to be resorted too....but then go rotational after that. i don't know...just a thought.

 

[DC Bee]

have to get rid of cross division lock ins IMO. Why is it fair for Duke to play Wake every year, and VT whoever, but GT gets Clemson? Miami gets FSU. Blah blah blah. UNC gets who NC state? LOL

Considering how lopsided the series between GT and Clemson is, I'd hate to give that up. Especially when they're highly ranked coming into BDS, which is their historical House of Horrors. Also considering that most of us are now talking about staying power and perennial greatness again, such scheduling considerations should be moot if GT is supposed to compete for the ACC title or better every year. By now we've all seen time and time again how schedules loaded with cupcakes doesn't pay dividends, and are often used against teams when considering rankings.

 

[AE 87]

I think it's the difference between a bowl-game mentality and a championship mentality. With a bowl-game mentality, the cross-divisional games matter because they could affect the final standings and so the bowl-game invitation. However, with a championship mentality, you want to have the beat name-programs. Also, if we can't beat CU, then we're not the best in the conference anyway.

Also, people buying season-tickets seem to want to play good teams.

 

[GTJackets]

There's no reason we would have to give up Clemson every year in order to get rid of the permanent cross-divisional rivalries. We had this conversation recently about the ability to play conference teams without it counting towards your conference record. We could absolutely continue to play Clemson every year. It just wouldn't have to be counted as a conference game but every 4-5 years.

I'm all for it. I know that college football is cyclical and all that. But more often than not Clemson is going to be better than Wake. No reason for the ACC to make one team work harder than another every year.

 

[GTJackets]

I think it's the difference between a bowl-game mentality and a championship mentality. With a bowl-game mentality, the cross-divisional games matter because they could affect the final standings and so the bowl-game invitation. However, with a championship mentality, you want to have the beat name-programs. Also, if we can't beat CU, then we're not the best in the conference anyway.

Also, people buying season-tickets seem to want to play good teams.

Also, this isn't necessarily true. We can still be the best team in the conference with a loss to Clemson. Otherwise, you would have to be undefeated in conference to win it. You can lose to a conference team but still be the best in the conference. Too many factors to say definitively that if you can't beat a team in your conference, you're not the best.

 

[Skeptic]

There's no reason we would have to give up Clemson every year in order to get rid of the permanent cross-divisional rivalries. We had this conversation recently about the ability to play conference teams without it counting towards your conference record. We could absolutely continue to play Clemson every year. It just wouldn't have to be counted as a conference game but every 4-5 years.

I'm all for it. I know that college football is cyclical and all that. But more often than not Clemson is going to be better than Wake. No reason for the ACC to make one team work harder than another every year.

Picking a nit, but Clemson will always be better than Wake, which had its 15 minutes and is in decline again. But Tech ought to play Clemson every year for the simple reason it is a great collegiate rivalry and has been for 60 years or more. Tech fans can drive there, they can drive to Tech -- okay, I85 is a nightmare -- and the game is highlighted on the schedules of both teams. Don't pretend to understand schedule making, but for one I'd prefer Clemson over Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Louisville, Wake Forest, and maybe others.

 

[Animal02]

I think it's the difference between a bowl-game mentality and a championship mentality. With a bowl-game mentality, the cross-divisional games matter because they could affect the final standings and so the bowl-game invitation. However, with a championship mentality, you want to have the beat name-programs. Also, if we can't beat CU, then we're not the best in the conference anyway.

Also, people buying season-tickets seem to want to play good teams.

No......in general, you need to run the table to get to the 4 team playoff. That means going undefeated and winning the conference championship. It will be rare that all P5 conferences have undefeated champions, and despite all the selection shows, they will not leave out an undefeated team in the P5 for teams with losses.

 

[AE 87]

No......in general, you need to run the table to get to the 4 team playoff. That means going undefeated and winning the conference championship. It will be rare that all P5 conferences have undefeated champions, and despite all the selection shows, they will not leave out an undefeated team in the P5 for teams with losses.

I think this is what I was saying ?

 

[Animal02]

I think this is what I was saying ?

Not sure if you were advocating for keeping Clemp on the schedule every year
We would not necessarily need to have Clemp on the regular season schedule. Having them on the regular season schedule is a handicap for getting into the playoff

 

[AE 87]

Not sure if you were advocating for keeping Clemp on the schedule every year
We would not necessarily need to have Clemp on the regular season schedule. Having them on the regular season schedule is a handicap for getting into the playoff

Gotcha, I read your post as being almost exactly what I would have said in response to @GTJackets. Still, I think it's kind of silly to talk about wanting to be the National Champs by avoiding difficult games.

 

[Animal02]

Gotcha, I read your post as being almost exactly what I would have said in response to @GTJackets. Still, I think it's kind of silly to talk about wanting to be the National Champs by avoiding difficult games.

Odds are we would have to play them or FSU in the ACCCG........so why play them twice