5 star guys versus 0 star guys

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flea77 said:
So 3 star and below are 60% ? Its a crap shoot. Its all about the $$$$$ :)
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I appreciate you, but I'm not sure my post was clear. @smathis30 makes my point. But let's look at just fbs recruits. If the 128 teams sign 15-16 a year (probably low), then we're talking 2000. Depending on service, 5* is top 25-50 and 4* top 250-300.

So, 5* are top 1-2.5% of FBS recruits and 4*&5* are top 12.5-15%. Again, these are probably high estimates. The 3* and below are more than 85% of FBS recruits.
 

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You have to find guys that fit what you are trying to do, and have the work ethic to keep getting better. There are probably only 3-5% of recruits that are truly elite. Calvin was one, but he was only listed as a 4*.... and he made other elite DBs in the NFL look foolish. The 3-5% have a lot of natural talent, and bust their butt to get better each day.


It is a very hard combination to find, and work ethic is one of the hardest things to gauge. I think this is a reason CPJ talks to high school coaches.
 

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gtg936g said:
You have to find guys that fit what you are trying to do, and have the work ethic to keep getting better. There are probably only 3-5% of recruits that are truly elite. Calvin was one, but he was only listed as a 4*.... and he made other elite DBs in the NFL look foolish. The 3-5% have a lot of natural talent, and bust their butt to get better each day.


It is a very hard combination to find, and work ethic is one of the hardest things to gauge. I think this is a reason CPJ talks to high school coaches.
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If that breakdown is to be taken at face value, then the more 4-5 stars you have the better you will be, and I don't think there is an argument there. I once talked to a very successful small college coach -- Ohio Northern -- who had a great small college running back with all the tools. When NFL scouts came to see game film, he told them this, as well as cautioning there was one thing he could not judge: "You cannot measure the heart." His kid didn't make it, and I would venture more fail for lack of that elusive intangible than any other single reason. It is not a knock on them. It is just a measure of who is figuratively willing to keep bleeding when others want out.
 
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33jacket said:
Why is it a problem? Other teams need to catch up then. This isnt socialism. There are always schools like this. Its part of the deal. You still have to win
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Too many rules that favor factories. When one school's team is made up of hired mercenaries while yours is made up of students, somethings not quite right. A level playing field is all I'm after.
 

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Too many rules that favor factories. When one school's team is made up of hired mercenaries while yours is made up of students, somethings not quite right. A level playing field is all I'm after.
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Everyone can do it....still not sure what the complaint is. If a school chooses not to thats on them. Or if their ex players dont want to then find ones who do.

I am sure there is a rule or two out there that big schools like factories can take advantage of more than the little ones. So that's probably true. But ultimately its the same rule.

At a school like gt a good 80 percent of our problem is ourself before ever having to worry about a rule.....just saying
 

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It is this simple.
Minor League Football players vs. Student Athletes. In other words, a student athlete who uses the college to get a quality education vs. a football player who uses college as a stepping stone to the NFL.

It is not a fair playing field for GT unless we move away from the Dodd vision of college athletics.
 
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AE 87 said:
I appreciate you, but I'm not sure my post was clear. @smathis30 makes my point. But let's look at just fbs recruits. If the 128 teams sign 15-16 a year (probably low), then we're talking 2000. Depending on service, 5* is top 25-50 and 4* top 250-300.

So, 5* are top 1-2.5% of FBS recruits and 4*&5* are top 12.5-15%. Again, these are probably high estimates. The 3* and below are more than 85% of FBS recruits.
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Math? Im a UGA grad...
 

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33jacket said:
Everyone can do it....still not sure what the complaint is. If a school chooses not to thats on them. Or if their ex players dont want to then find ones who do.

I am sure there is a rule or two out there that big schools like factories can take advantage of more than the little ones. So that's probably true. But ultimately its the same rule.

At a school like gt a good 80 percent of our problem is ourself before ever having to worry about a rule.....just saying
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That's true. Quite true. It is also true that there are a ton of GT fans who refuse to abandon the holier-than-thou approach to 'student-athletes" and continue to denounce the factories, just as there are those who'd defend the factory approach and want to pay the athletes and laugh at the academic indiscretions at places like UNC and most of the SEC and Big XII. Both sides in that debate stink, imho. GT could indeed choose to play semi-pro football just like the factories do. Or they could...what? Struggle along as a 7-5 team (on average) in semi-pro league, or drop down to the FCS division, which also plays semi-pro ball (just on a different scale) or ..join the Ivy League? No good answers. And that's just a shame.
 

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33jacket said:
Everyone can do it....still not sure what the complaint is. If a school chooses not to thats on them. Or if their ex players dont want to then find ones who do.

I am sure there is a rule or two out there that big schools like factories can take advantage of more than the little ones. So that's probably true. But ultimately its the same rule.

At a school like gt a good 80 percent of our problem is ourself before ever having to worry about a rule.....just saying
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Are you saying, and I am not sure, that if a school is willing to sacrifice its academic integrity, it can do it too? I am not sure that is a good business model. For instance, I think Clemson runs an honest program and does it right. But when a player is playing and practicing football year round, and travels six to seven weekends a semester, and a good student can get enough credits to graduate in less than three years, then one should question the academic rigor for the athletes.
 
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