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That sounds a lot like vaccination.
It does sound like how you would explain a vaccination to a 5 year old.
3 Georgia Tech athletes have tested positive for COVID-19.
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It does sound like how you would explain a vaccination to a 5 year old.
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Or an old person who still carries scars from vaccinations.
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Depends on how far into dementia they've fallen.
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1. If you're not a doctor (or better yet, pandemic specialist), don't offer up ideas
2. Google the long term effects of covid19 (lung scarring, heart problems, brain problems) and tell me again you want to infect the whole team given a chance that some will have career ending consequences?
2. Google the long term effects of covid19 (lung scarring, heart problems, brain problems) and tell me again you want to infect the whole team given a chance that some will have career ending consequences?
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The idea of purposely trying to get this is a very bad one and if I was an AD and found out my coach was allowing it i'd fire him for cause immediately.
There are multiple reasons not to do this.
First, it is not just about deaths. How many people get seriously ill. According to the latest CDC data, 2.5% of 10-19 yr olds and 3.7% of 20-29 yr olds who test positive for COVID19 end up in the hospital. Even if you say that is undercounted by a power of 10 that is still roughly 3/10ths of 1 percent. 3 out of every 1,000.
Just as an FYI, the percent that end up on a ventilator is 0.4/0.5% and the percentage that die are 0.1% for both populations. Drop those by a power of 10 and you are still talking about 1 of every 10,000 young people dying.
Second, we have no idea if there is any herd immunity (which is the whole point). The new study that was just published today of Spain's seroprevalence testing (the largest in the world so far) put the percentage of Spaniards who have been infected at 5%. the highest level was 14% at a state around Madrid. The less noticed news in that study is that a significant portion of the people who initially tested positive with anti-bodies, did not test positive for antibodies by phase three, which suggests any immunity may not be long lasting. As 2 concurrent essays in the Lancet Journal said, we are not going to reach immunity through getting sick. If we are to reach immunity at all, it will be through a vaccine.
Third, do you want to play Russian roulette with who gets sick. You have no idea who might get a serious case. What if it is your star QB, or best defensive lineman. What then.
This tweet about Nick Markakis talking to Freddie Freeman should wake anybody up
If Von Miller can get really sick from it, if Freddie Freeman can get really sick from it, then anyone could be the unlucky statistic that gets sick and then potentially misses the season.
Fourth, we simply don't know about long range affects. How badly is it going to mess with your system and do you want to take a chance that it doesn't do anything serious to it. I remember reading an article with a doctor back in the height of the first surge in April and he was talking about people coming in to the hospital who had had only minor symptoms and then decided to go into the hospital and he said some of them had lungs that looked like they had been smoking for 30 years.
Fifth, it would be unethical. The University has a responsibility to keep students safe from unneccesary dangers. Encouraging students to get sick would run counter to that.
The entire idea when facing an infectious disease that you don't understand it to lengthen the game. Get as few people infected as possible and give yourself time to learn as much as possible so you can minimize the number of dead and serious ill. Doctors will learn better processes. Researchers will learn more about the disease and how you might attack it. Hopefully eventuall you get to medical therapuetics and vaccines that make it become a minor issue.
There are multiple reasons not to do this.
First, it is not just about deaths. How many people get seriously ill. According to the latest CDC data, 2.5% of 10-19 yr olds and 3.7% of 20-29 yr olds who test positive for COVID19 end up in the hospital. Even if you say that is undercounted by a power of 10 that is still roughly 3/10ths of 1 percent. 3 out of every 1,000.
Just as an FYI, the percent that end up on a ventilator is 0.4/0.5% and the percentage that die are 0.1% for both populations. Drop those by a power of 10 and you are still talking about 1 of every 10,000 young people dying.
Second, we have no idea if there is any herd immunity (which is the whole point). The new study that was just published today of Spain's seroprevalence testing (the largest in the world so far) put the percentage of Spaniards who have been infected at 5%. the highest level was 14% at a state around Madrid. The less noticed news in that study is that a significant portion of the people who initially tested positive with anti-bodies, did not test positive for antibodies by phase three, which suggests any immunity may not be long lasting. As 2 concurrent essays in the Lancet Journal said, we are not going to reach immunity through getting sick. If we are to reach immunity at all, it will be through a vaccine.
Third, do you want to play Russian roulette with who gets sick. You have no idea who might get a serious case. What if it is your star QB, or best defensive lineman. What then.
This tweet about Nick Markakis talking to Freddie Freeman should wake anybody up
If Von Miller can get really sick from it, if Freddie Freeman can get really sick from it, then anyone could be the unlucky statistic that gets sick and then potentially misses the season.
Fourth, we simply don't know about long range affects. How badly is it going to mess with your system and do you want to take a chance that it doesn't do anything serious to it. I remember reading an article with a doctor back in the height of the first surge in April and he was talking about people coming in to the hospital who had had only minor symptoms and then decided to go into the hospital and he said some of them had lungs that looked like they had been smoking for 30 years.
Fifth, it would be unethical. The University has a responsibility to keep students safe from unneccesary dangers. Encouraging students to get sick would run counter to that.
The entire idea when facing an infectious disease that you don't understand it to lengthen the game. Get as few people infected as possible and give yourself time to learn as much as possible so you can minimize the number of dead and serious ill. Doctors will learn better processes. Researchers will learn more about the disease and how you might attack it. Hopefully eventuall you get to medical therapuetics and vaccines that make it become a minor issue.
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4 more athletes tested positive
https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/...st-positive-for-covid/g2rImRU3nAC27PrQTQq5XO/
https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/...st-positive-for-covid/g2rImRU3nAC27PrQTQq5XO/
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Of course they did.... yawn.
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A friend of mine is a super fan of Clemson and said nothing happens there by accident. Said he wouldn’t be surprised if they’re running it through the team so they can get to full contact regular practices. She thinks the vast majority of teams won’t be well prepared for the season for exactly that reason. She has a point - probably super fit 18-22 year olds have about as close to 0 risk of anything severe. Indeed of the close to 50 football players who tested positive, and the over 50 total - not a single person has gotten sick, much less gone to the hospital. Half were asymptomatic.
https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article244151667.html
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That data includes all Americans - not super fit and healthy. 8x that many young people as those who ended up in the hospital are obese (in other words even people who are in the big risk group for COVID-19 are not if they are young). Now when you look at the percentage of super fit 18-22 year olds who have severe health outcomes and it’s just about zero. Read my post above - at Clemson they are now over 50 positive tests. Fully half were asymptomatic, and they’ve had nobody get sick or end up in the hospital (I’ve googled and read stories around the country of college athletes and can’t find anybody yet who went to the hospital) Almost every year we have flu or staff infections run through parts of our programs. So far COVID-19 is much less impactful. There are always dangers and risks, but for super fit and healthy 18-22 year olds, this one ain’t it.
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Can you provide the data on super fit people? Please don't tell me you're basing this on one football team.
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Can you break down the data on the lower blue line? There must be a mountain of data hiding under there.
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Why would I do that? The curve is flat. And nearly 100% of that super flat curve had previously-existing conditions, like being morbidly obese.
Do this in the reverse - we have hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations. Find me 1 single one of someone who was fit and healthy between the ages of 18-22.
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It was a failed attempt to be as illogical as some of the others. Sorry. What we don’t understand we seek to fill in with confirmation biased conclusions.
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Where as I agree that that the risk is super low for 18-22 year olds who are healthy without underlying conditions, a school or program would be irresponsible to intentionally get their players sick at this time so they can return to full contact practice. I highly doubt the Clemson super fan is correct. With the current spread and the push to slow down the spread, that thought process wouldn’t make sense at this time even if the medical community pronounced it safe to play for 18-22 year olds. Their is too much uncertainty on immunity and the disease seems to have several different strains. Clemson has too much momentum and success in their program to take on the risk of destroying their football program if people caught wind that they were running it through their team to return to full contact practice.
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Wow. Look at those lines dropping down so steeply. Have we gotten that much better at treatments? Did we cause deaths early on with improper protocols, like early ventilator use?
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And the CDC removed age as a risk factor LOLOLOLOLOL.
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No, it's mostly the lag in death certificates coming in. This is the raw number of death certificates filed. Column 4 shows the deaths certificates recorded in the 7/3 to 7/9 period for the different weeks ending. For example, 38 more death certificates were filed for the week ending 2/1/2020 (!) during the period of 7/3 to 7/10. This is raw CDC data in columns 1-4 and the rest is manipulated as shown.
The improvement in estimated excess deaths is probably better treatments and the average age of cases being 15 years younger and maybe the new strain (European) being less virulent. Unfortunately, too many independent variables for me to know.
And yes the number of extrapolated excess deaths is falling off through the week ending 7/4/2020. We'll see how long that continues with cases and hospital intakes up.
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Illogical is assuming you know the facts, when nothing has been confirmed. No one knows yet how what the long term effects of covid are. There are many more unknowns as well. Look in the mirror next time you call sometime illogical. I'm glad most in charge are more logical then most in here. If it were up to some of y'all, the season would go on with no changes and full stadiums. Too bad you can't make that decision and so you must deal with logical people's decisions on safety
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