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MtnWasp

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Is Claude a 4 or a 5?

Why does it matter in 2023? We are not going to play a low post game.
Since Claude is a 5th year Senior, if it don't matter this season it sure won't matter the year after! ;-)

Whether or not he is going to play "in" or "out" matters on defense, specifically, match-ups, rebounding, shot blocking and rotations. He's undersized for an ACC 5. Long players will go over the top of him. Unless he is an exceptional leaper then he won't be able to discourage dribble penetration. Those are big deals.

We know from hard experience the last two years that scheme don't matter if you have a big hole in the middle of your defense. Not being able to defend the rim in basketball is like not being able to defend the run in football.

But if Claude is the only post guy on the roster who is a scoring threat, then we are left with something of a conundrum. We've also seen that having a defensive specialist on the floor that the defense doesn't really have to account for also scrambles just about any offensive scheme.
 

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Since Claude is a 5th year Senior, if it don't matter this season it sure won't matter the year after! ;-)

Whether or not he is going to play "in" or "out" matters on defense, specifically, match-ups, rebounding, shot blocking and rotations. He's undersized for an ACC 5. Long players will go over the top of him. Unless he is an exceptional leaper then he won't be able to discourage dribble penetration. Those are big deals.

We know from hard experience the last two years that scheme don't matter if you have a big hole in the middle of your defense. Not being able to defend the rim in basketball is like not being able to defend the run in football.

But if Claude is the only post guy on the roster who is a scoring threat, then we are left with something of a conundrum. We've also seen that having a defensive specialist on the floor that the defense doesn't really have to account for also scrambles just about any offensive scheme.
IMO we will be mostly m2m on defense. It really doesn't matter if he's a 4 or 5. We have to match up on defense.

If we play a 4 out 1 in offense, Claude will likely be the post when he is on the floor. But matchups will likely force us to be bigger at times. I am not wedded to position numbers as tightly as some. Will we play a double post or put one of our bigs outside? What do you expect?
 

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I think it's very likely that Sturdivant starts the year as the starting PG.

He has more experience both in general and alongside Kelly/Coleman/Terry. He also really came on strong towards the end of last year. His last 12 games (yes a bit arbitrary I know) he averaged 12.6 points, 3 rebounds, 4.4 assists, 1.6 turnovers on 42.4/35.1/80.6 shooting in 33 mpg. Against almost all conference opponents (the one game against FIT doesn't change much if you want to go back and not include it). Those are really good numbers that I think while Abram has higher potential than Sturdivant, I would be surprised if he is better day one. Will certainly play though and I would expect a good chunk of time with both on the floor in some games.

Kelly obviously starts. I think it's also pretty guaranteed that Claude starts in some fashion at least to start the year (and very likely throughout the whole year barring injury or big surprised play).

Everything else is up in the air. The wing starter aside from Kelly is up in the air but we have plenty of good options.

The real issue for the team that I think comes down to the front court. I don't see the approach the article lists as working, for two reasons. The first is I don't think Dowuona is an ACC starter caliber player. He started 27 games as a soph for NCSU and averaged 4 and 4 in 25 min for a team that went 11-21. Last year his minutes fell to just 11 mpg when the team got significantly better. I can't see him being more than a back up player for us unless things really go wrong. The second reason is I am skeptical about having Claude playing alongside him. Offensively it doesn't make much sense as Claude is an interior scorer and so having Dowuona in just clogs things up, and from what I've seen Claude doesn't have much ability to step out and make things happen (shooting threes or driving). Defensively, putting Claude on a forward I think increases the likelihood of him picking up fouls which was somewhat of an issue with him last year anyways.

So I think, and believe most here probably agree, that Claude likely starts at the 5 with Dowuona coming off the bench in a back up role. But how do we handle the 4 spot. One way is to go closer to a traditional look with Ndongo or Gapare playing alongside him. Both have good size for the position and in theory could help with defense/rebounding using their size and length and seem to have a skillset more oriented towards play away from the basket than Claude. The problem is Ndongo is a true freshman and not the one and done variety. It's possible he adjusts well and contribute significantly right away. But it might also take him a year to adjust and he's not really ready to start until later. And Gapare was just not good last year for Umass. Between how much he needed to improve, and the step up in competition, I don't think we can expect much of him this year. Good potential to build on down the road though.

The other option, which I think has more traction here, is the idea of going small. The problem with that route is that Claude is already giving some height at 6-8. I know we just went through this with Franklin who turned into a rebounding monster for us last year down the stretch, but even with that rebounding was a big problem for us, and that is with Franklin working out as well as could be expected (other than an adjust period). Claude may, and hopefully does, adjust as well, but there is a possibility that he doesn't (think of Parham's change after transferring here). However even if he does work out well, we'd still be at a big disadvantage rebounding and interior defense with Coleman or Reeves. The idea is that what we lose in those areas we pick up in offense. Despite that it's probably the best bet to start the year if I had to guess, and to me if you go that route it makes more sense to go with the more efficient offensive player which would be Coleman, although I don't think that spot really go well with him. Also possible both start although I think Terry's shooting again is more valuable if that is the idea you are going for.

So I would guess a starting line up to begin the year as Sturdivant, Terry, Kelly, Coleman, and Claude with Abram and Reeves being the first off the bench on the perimeter (likely depending on who subs out and whether we need size or shooting) and Dowuona and Ndongo getting minutes off the bench in the front court. Hopefully as the year goes on Ndongo adjusts well as he could very well be that missing piece that the line up needs. That gives us a lot of experience, both in general but also playing together, with good tools off the bench for a variety of situations. Back court should be dangerous regardless and I think very likely Claude gives us a good counter balance of inside scoring to make the team dangerous. Defense and rebounding is the major concern I would have, but I don't see a real good way to address that this year unless we get a fairly big surprise player.
This years team seems like it can be the type of team that Jim Larranaga’s Miami team.
 

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Since Claude is a 5th year Senior, if it don't matter this season it sure won't matter the year after! ;-)

Whether or not he is going to play "in" or "out" matters on defense, specifically, match-ups, rebounding, shot blocking and rotations. He's undersized for an ACC 5. Long players will go over the top of him. Unless he is an exceptional leaper then he won't be able to discourage dribble penetration. Those are big deals.

We know from hard experience the last two years that scheme don't matter if you have a big hole in the middle of your defense. Not being able to defend the rim in basketball is like not being able to defend the run in football.

But if Claude is the only post guy on the roster who is a scoring threat, then we are left with something of a conundrum. We've also seen that having a defensive specialist on the floor that the defense doesn't really have to account for also scrambles just about any offensive scheme.
I think that you will see a lot of line-up's with Claude (4) and Ebe (5) on the floor together. Especially against the bigger teams.

However, I think there will also be times where we see Claude move over to the 5 and Tafara plays the 4 to create some mismatches.
 
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This years team seems like it can be the type of team that Jim Larranaga’s Miami team.
I don't think the talent is there to pull off a Larranaga freelance offense. Larranaga always has multiple guys on the floor at the same time who can create their own bucket. Jordan Miller, Isaiah Wong, Nijel Pack, and Norchad Omier alone are probably better than any single player on this team. An aside, but a lot of people think Wooga Poplar is gonna have a huge year this year with some of the upperclassmen out of his way now.
 

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I don't think the talent is there to pull off a Larranaga freelance offense. Larranaga always has multiple guys on the floor at the same time who can create their own bucket. Jordan Miller, Isaiah Wong, Nijel Pack, and Norchad Omier alone are probably better than any single player on this team. An aside, but a lot of people think Wooga Poplar is gonna have a huge year this year with some of the upperclassmen out of his way now.
Wooga Poplar sounds like the name of a ROBLOX game.
 

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Wooga Poplar sounds like the name of a ROBLOX game.
I don't think the talent is there to pull off a Larranaga freelance offense. Larranaga always has multiple guys on the floor at the same time who can create their own bucket. Jordan Miller, Isaiah Wong, Nijel Pack, and Norchad Omier alone are probably better than any single player on this team. An aside, but a lot of people think Wooga Poplar is gonna have a huge year this year with some of the upperclassmen out of his way now.
Studie, is good getting his own shot in close, Kelly can shoot in traffic and Terry sure can. It appears Claude has low post moves and so does a few of the
other transfers in. I think my statement is reasonable and I hope it is.
 

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Another cool scheduling note. Looks like we'll be participating in the Hoopsgiving event, vs PennSt, this year downtown....

https://www.si.com/college/georgiat...-state-in-2023-holiday-hoopsgiving-in-atlanta

Love, love, love us getting more competitive matchups. We'll definitely see what we're made of early.
Awesome matchup but would have rather gotten this at McCamish. I've watched Hoopsgiving on TV and the arena is dead. It's also pretty expensive to attend due to the 4 games / single admission situation.
 

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Awesome matchup but would have rather gotten this at McCamish. I've watched Hoopsgiving on TV and the arena is dead. It's also pretty expensive to attend due to the 4 games / single admission situation.

I'm sure you're not wrong but ....

Cbc Tv Moonshine GIF by CBC
 

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I went to Hoopsgiving last year. Not cheap, but a helluva day with four games and only one was a dud. The Memphis game was exciting and the crowd was comparable to / better than any I've seen at McCamish since it opened. AMC was great during the CBC era and the heyday of CPH. McCamish has had a few moments, but by and large it's been half empty and pretty quiet. Looking forward to that changing over the next year or so

Note, this year, Hoopsgiving split the event into 2 games each on 2 days. Not sure if they will sell one-day tickets or if you'll have to buy both
 

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Loss for the PITTs ....

https://www.on3.com/college/pittsbu...hman-dior-johnson-no-longer-attending-school/

4-star Dior Johnson not allowed back after suspension. Had a domestic violence incident/allegation and was kicked. Allowed to return as long as certain conditions were met. Then admins apparently simply decided he was gone despite no new issues.

Seems odd. Just kick him in the first place. Why make him jump thru hoops?
 

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Loss for the PITTs ....

https://www.on3.com/college/pittsbu...hman-dior-johnson-no-longer-attending-school/

4-star Dior Johnson not allowed back after suspension. Had a domestic violence incident/allegation and was kicked. Allowed to return as long as certain conditions were met. Then admins apparently simply decided he was gone despite no new issues.

Seems odd. Just kick him in the first place. Why make him jump thru hoops?
They may have learned more about the first incident.
 

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Loss for the PITTs ....

https://www.on3.com/college/pittsbu...hman-dior-johnson-no-longer-attending-school/

4-star Dior Johnson not allowed back after suspension. Had a domestic violence incident/allegation and was kicked. Allowed to return as long as certain conditions were met. Then admins apparently simply decided he was gone despite no new issues.

Seems odd. Just kick him in the first place. Why make him jump thru hoops?

They may have learned more about the first incident.
Either they learned something new or just decided that the kid wasn't worth the effort though the timing of when they kicked him out of school is weird. Kid committed to 2 other colleges before ultimately ending up at Pitt after attending 9 high schools. Don't know if he continually gets himself in situations, is a malcontent or both but there's something up with him.
 
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They may have learned more about the first incident.

Either they learned something new or just decided that the kid wasn't worth the effort though the timing of when they kicked him out of school is weird. Kid committed to 2 other colleges before ultimately ending up at Pitt after attending 9 high schools. Don't know if he continually gets himself in situations, is a malcontent or both but there's something up with him.

Definitely agree it's possible they found more, but that also suggests the possibility that there wasn't a thorough investigation in the first place.

Just not a great look all the way around.

Pitt forums are suggesting this could be their new admin using the situation to show they're 'tough on crime' or stte.
 

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Definitely agree it's possible they found more, but that also suggests the possibility that there wasn't a thorough investigation in the first place.
Normally you don't find what you aren't looking for in an investigation. Especially when you don't have any power to open doors against folks denial.
 

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Another possibility is that there was pressure from social activist groups from outiside the Athletic Department placed on the program to not allow the player back. The kid may have been cancelled from without.
 

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Another possibility is that there was pressure from social activist groups from outiside the Athletic Department placed on the program to not allow the player back. The kid may have been cancelled from without.
If that was the case he would have been gone with the investigation or at the latest when he plead guilty not in this period when noone but the most ardent fans are thinking about the team.
 
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