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bobongo said:
The trend has levelled off somewhat. But that isn't nearly enough, because we're still pumping too much CO2 into the atmosphere.
It's sort of like saying that as long as we can keep the annual deficit from increasing, the debt should go down. No, it won't. It will keep going up by whatever number the deficit is. It's a cumulative effect. Really not so hard to understand.
Only the earth doesn't have inflation to bail it out. We get closer and closer to the tipping point every year. And the whistling just gets louder and louder.
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We already covered that. We significantly changed the trajectory of emissions yet the trajectory of CO2 in the atmosphere bent the opposite direction and increased even faster. But yes, to change the trajectory of atmospheric CO2 we obviously would need to massively cut emissions even more. Unlike the deficit and debt, there are a lot of other variables that go into it other than just human generated carbon emissions..
 
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SnidelyWhiplash said:
...The people advocating most loudly for huge economic changes have made no changes in their own personal lives and in many cases have significantly larger carbon footprints than the average person. Many of these same people have large financial interests in the companies due to benefit from the proposed economic changes. You put all of this together and there is no wonder people have a little reticence on the issue.
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This^^^

Kerry, DiCaprio, Bernie, AOC, and the ilk are good examples. Have to fly in a private jet, large car, big big house, etc. They talk the talk but don't back it up with their actions.

Just like those who want to spend OPM, they don't put their money were their mouth is.
 
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SnidelyWhiplash said:
We already covered that. We significantly changed the trajectory of emissions yet the trajectory of CO2 in the atmosphere bent the opposite direction and increased even faster. But yes, to change the trajectory of atmospheric CO2 we obviously would need to massively cut emissions even more. Unlike the deficit and debt, there are a lot of other variables that go into it other than just human generated carbon emissions..
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Deforestation, melting ice, and here's another factor:

Is the Planet's Carbon Sink Getting Too Full? : NPR

"...gases are more soluble in cold conditions, and as the ocean warms, it loses one of its most crucial functions in regulating the Earth's temperature. Its ability to absorb carbon dioxide diminishes, which leaves more of the heat-trapping gas in the atmosphere."

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UN Panel estimates we are within a fraction of a degree from mass extinction and unprecedented death from worsening heat waves. A fraction of a degree from where we are will cause all that? LOL. Only way to avoid that is to get to near zero greenhouse gas emissions. Since that’s impossible, shouldn’t we then pivot to mitigation?

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Solving climate crisis will require 'total transformation' of global energy use, IEA report says

To solve climate change, people must stop using gasoline-powered cars within 14 years, abandon the pursuit of new coal mines and oil exploration, and completely transform "the energy systems that underpin our economies," says a report from the International Energy Agency.
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Well if all of the global warming activist will start to walk every where, quit using air conditioning, using anything to generate heat except for rubbing their hands together, using airplanes (guess that's cover with walikng everywhere), using anything that was created by man that uses any carbon based energy in its production, breathing, etc. then the CO2 generation activities should reduce, thus reducing the amount of CO2 produced. That alone is all that is need to save mankind from destroying the Earth before an enormous asteroid strikes or the sun expands so much to swallow the Earth.
 

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SnidelyWhiplash said:
UN Panel estimates we are within a fraction of a degree from mass extinction and unprecedented death from worsening heat waves. A fraction of a degree from where we are will cause all that? LOL. Only way to avoid that is to get to near zero greenhouse gas emissions. Since that’s impossible, shouldn’t we then pivot to mitigation?

www.yahoo.com

Solving climate crisis will require 'total transformation' of global energy use, IEA report says

To solve climate change, people must stop using gasoline-powered cars within 14 years, abandon the pursuit of new coal mines and oil exploration, and completely transform "the energy systems that underpin our economies," says a report from the International Energy Agency.
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No...migration...we'd best leave this planet behind.....
 

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SnidelyWhiplash said:
UN Panel estimates we are within a fraction of a degree from mass extinction and unprecedented death from worsening heat waves. A fraction of a degree from where we are will cause all that? LOL. Only way to avoid that is to get to near zero greenhouse gas emissions. Since that’s impossible, shouldn’t we then pivot to mitigation?

www.yahoo.com

Solving climate crisis will require 'total transformation' of global energy use, IEA report says

To solve climate change, people must stop using gasoline-powered cars within 14 years, abandon the pursuit of new coal mines and oil exploration, and completely transform "the energy systems that underpin our economies," says a report from the International Energy Agency.
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uummmm it was much warmer during the time of the Romans and the oceans were significantly higher (feet) than today. So why didn't it tip over then?
 

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Earth's atmosphere trapping 'unprecedented' amount of heat: NASA, NOAA report

Scientists at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) have determined in new research that the Earth's atmosphere has been trapping an "unprecedented" amount of heat, with the planet's energy imbalance approximately...
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Was reading this, full of pessimism and doom as the authors of the study discussed how greenhouse gasses are leading to a doubling of heat accumulation just in the last 15 years.

And then at the end, this sentence: “Additionally, the researchers found that a change in the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), a pattern of Pacific climate variability, to a warm phase "likely played a major role in the intensification of the energy imbalance."

LOL. In past periods, PDO led to significantly less clouds, which led to massive heat absorption.
 

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DCSS said:
Maybe the Forest Service could alter the orbits of the earth and moon. Seems like an easy fix.

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Getting somewhat back on target from Gohmert - my worry is the earth is still warming despite the fact we're in a time of very low solar activity. That doesn't bode well for 10 years from now. May be time to look at living a bit further north. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Getting somewhat back on target from Gohmert - my worry is the earth is still warming despite the fact we're in a time of very low solar activity. That doesn't bode well for 10 years from now. May be time to look at living a bit further north. :ROFLMAO:
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I'm going to wait until my property becomes waterfront, then sell it for a fortune...THEN think about moving....
 
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Supersizethatorder-mutt said:
So whom are we supposed to believe? Who are the REAL scientists here. I think I will choose these guys ---

rumble.com

Is there really a climate crisis

Research at the Niels Bohr Institute presents a lot of questions about the coming apocalypse due to so-called global warming. There is a lot to absorb here.
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Anecdotally, our summer here in Oriental is not as hot as recent years (so far). Portland, OR had their hottest day ever yesterday and is climbing above that today.

Plus 3 named storms and not yet to July.
 

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orientalnc said:
Anecdotally, our summer here in Oriental is not as hot as recent years (so far). Portland, OR had their hottest day ever yesterday and is climbing above that today.

Plus 3 named storms and not yet to July.
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In fairness, we name everything now. We’ve had 4 storms locally that had over 40mph winds. I’m guessing many other places have too.

Not even a decade ago we didn’t have the technology nor the interest to hunt down every storm to see if we could name it. Last year we had 30 named storms - by far a record. But the ones that count - major hurricanes - that we’ve been investigating and measuring for a long time, we’ve been below average - 3. I hope the big storm counts stay that way.
 
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