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“I got out” bad for recruiting

Discussion in 'Georgia Tech Football' started by tech_wreck47, Jun 11, 2018.

  1. flea77

    flea77 Helluva Engineer

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    My older son " GOT OUT" my younger son is " Getting Out" Sat !!!!! If you can play at this level and handle the academics, you can " GET OUT" Not many do. Any dead fish can float downstream. Sell IT... Honestly thats why this UGA Grad and Letterman, was " OK" with both Sons going to GT. The Degree is worth it. It has value. Its recognized .
     
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  2. smathis30

    smathis30 Helluva Engineer

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    Those numbers are straight lies. Last year's draft had 60% of 5* get drafted and 23% of 4* get drafted. Good luck recruiting someone telling them they won't make the nfl when at least one other school will. 5% of 3* and 1% of 2 stars for the 2013 and 2014 high school classes. Is a degree useful? Yes? Will you be able to recruit someone by telling them the degree is worth more than a shot at the NFL? Not always. They counteract each other from a recruiting POV if someone else is offering. If I'm a recruit, I'm going to The place that gives me the best shot. And sells me that
     
  3. awbuzz

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    My percentages were from the NCAA. Not just 4 and 5 .
    http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/estimated-probability-competing-professional-athletics


    NCAA Participants Approximate # Draft Eligible # Draft Picks # NCAA Drafted % NCAA to Major Pro % NCAA to Total Pro
    Baseball 34,980 7,773 1,215 735 9.5% --
    M Basketball 18,712 4,158 60 50 1.2% 19.3%
    W Basketball 16,532 3,674 36 34 0.9% 4.9%
    Football 73,063 16,236 253 253 1.6% 1.9%


    using the percentages you provided for 5-star and 4-star from last year still tells us that 40% of the five stars and over 75% of the four stars aren't raking in the cash.

    The real smart kids should be able to look through that.
     
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  4. smathis30

    smathis30 Helluva Engineer

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    Yes but your post directly mentioned 4* and 5* which is a different data set. Not all of them will, and most will know through injuries or being overrated really quickly where there stance is. Those numbers don't take into account being a UDFA, where I showed good money is available and chances are better for you than people who were rated lower. Should and could are different worlds in recruiting. Recruiting rankings matter at the end of the day
     
  5. awbuzz

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    Agree that there is a high correlation with recruiting rankings and results on the field.
     
  6. Heisman's Ghost

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    Speaking of insanely smart...there was this boy in our church who went to Tech and majored in computer science. He graduated magna cum laude and works for Microsoft now. Even so, he is one of the nicest, polite and humble young men you would ever want to meet. I think it is because he was in my Sunday School class for so long but I digress. Anyway, he told me that Tech was hard even though he was well prepared. He said that the thing most people going to Tech don't realize is how important work ethic and time management are to a student's success. He worked as a TA in mathematics and computer science and said that seldom did he see a student that simply could not do the work but he saw students that were not willing to make the sacrifices to be successful. He did say that he saw a good number of Asian students that struggled at Tech through no fault of their own due to language barriers. To give you an idea of the kind of person he is, he drove over 3 hours from Atlanta to attend my retirement party at the high school where I taught for 30 years. He did not have to do that but like I always say: Tech people have a very high degree of commitment and integrity. Speaking strictly as a sidewalk fan and definitely not an alumnus.
     
  7. 4shotB

    4shotB Moderator Staff Member

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    Very much agree. Contrary to popular belief, it's not always necessarily the smartest who got out. It was both the smartest...plus the dumbest who would not give up. If you were in between smart and stubborn you didn't make it.
     
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  8. Heisman's Ghost

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    My father was a manufacturer's representative, sort of like a combination technical salesman/troubleshooter with a degree in Textile Engineering. The whole time I was growing up he was gone most of the week traveling all across the southeast and other parts of the country. He told me that no matter where he went or who he talked to...engineers, businessmen, ordinary folk, everyone had heard of Georgia Tech and had the upmost respect for the Institute. Make of that what you will.
     
  9. biggtfan

    biggtfan Ramblin' Wreck

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    I agree with ADTS. Both of my kids graduated from Georgia Tech. They were not in prison and did not "get out." This is a totally negative term that does nothing to attract SA's.
     
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  10. IEEEWreck

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    Why is it negative? Stanford engineers are proud of getting in because it's pretty hard not to graduate once you're in. I'm proud of how I got into Tech and how I got out.
     
  11. tech_wreck47

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    You’re thinking of it from strickly from students stand point. These are not just students, but athletes who are coming to play ball. Nothing against the student athletes, but how many would come if they didn’t play a sport?
     
  12. Supersizethatorder-mutt

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    If a kid says he "got out of" class at a certain time, then WTH is bad about saying he "got out of" school, i.e., Tech?
     
  13. smathis30

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    you don't get out of something you want to do. With the saturation of college degrees nowadays, being difficult doesn't provide as much benefit as it did before, especially with most rankings systems toning down on the importance of raw academics and focusing on financial health, retention, and classroom dynamics as equal weight to academic prowess in academic rankings.
    You don't volunteer to do jury duty, you get out of it.
     
  14. tech_wreck47

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    Getting out of class, is just that, saying you got out of class. When someone says I got out, talking about GT, they are talking about the difficulty of the school, and that they were able to make it. Big difference imo. This is coming from a sidewalk fan, so I can definitely see how that would deter someone who is about more than just schooling away from GT.
     
  15. ibeattetris

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    I admittedly am not from Georgia and wasn't familiar at all with GT until looking for good southern schools (I lived in Northern VA and didn't like dealing with snow :ROFLMAO:). I never heard of "getting out" while doing my searches. It wasn't until freshman orientation when going over school traditions that it was even brought up, and even then, it was more a casual joking sort of way.

    Getting worked up about this is a total head scratcher to me.
     
  16. gthxxxx

    gthxxxx Ramblin' Wreck

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    Can come vs want to come? I would support filtering out those prospects that don't want to come to Tech if they didn't play a sport.
     
  17. tech_wreck47

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    Might not have a team. I think kids want to come, but only to have the opportunity to play football and have schooling. If they could only have school, I doubt a lot would still come.
     
  18. gthxxxx

    gthxxxx Ramblin' Wreck

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    I didn't say that they could only have school. I said a good question to future prospects would be if they would want to come to Tech if they didn't play a sport.
     
  19. Supersizethatorder-mutt

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    Well, as I and others have said before, it should be presented as a badge of honor, and not a threat to personal ability. We are probably the only college in the country who uses that term, so why not let the uniqueness of it speak for itself. Play up the positive aspects of the term, that anyone graduating from Tech has accomplished something special, and that everyone who does graduate from Tech HAS accomplished something special, athletes possibly more than any others. I personally think that it's only negative to those who aren't willing to think outside the norm, and Tech is in no way the norm among colleges in the country, especially those that field football and basketball teams.
     
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  20. iceeater1969

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    Thanks flea.
    Your son will do great things

    I heard a saying that described the maturing impact Ga Tech has on its grads. The saying is advice for a young teenager "First GRAB IRON - It makes the weak strong and the proud humble. "

    As a scholar athlete at gt - Life will be much sweeter due to the time he has spent in the ring.
     
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