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Just to make sure I understand you: One season's results on the field should negate & overule everything else that has happened in 70 years of ACC football. Correct?

The ACC definitely WAS strong in 1990. It is also easy to see/prove that was an outlier; look at the 37 years before and the 33 years since.

13 years elapsed between the ACC adding FSU and then adding VT/Miami/BC. Miami has basically sucked the whole time they've been in the ACC. Except for the brief revival due to Jameous Winston, FSU has been very pedestrian since the addition of VT/Mia as well. Tell me, what year exactly was...

These are the scores of the first 7 times we played FSU after they entered the ACC: 24-29 0-51 10-41 10-42 3-49 0-38 7-34 You are 100% correct that we started to narrow the gap after that, losing some heartbreakers. Finally broke through in 2008; of course by that time FSU was a shell...

Yes. And Virginia wound up losing 4 games. We won a natty & the country was shocked ( we were too if we're in the Room of Truth 🙂). 1990 was an outlier. The first game of '91 we were trounced by Penn State and the ACC was back to what it had always been; a basketball conference.

Yes. And of course FSU dominated the conference - they lost one ACC game in the first 6 years and two in the first nine. The ACC in football was only FSU for a long time.

Limited pairing? Every major conference's champion was tied to a specific bowl for decades upon decades. Except the ACC of course because ACC football was not taken seriously until this century. I'll try to not be snarky. I will. I promise. But it is irritating when people make wildly...

Yes, the actual article I found said starting in 1954 the Orange Bowl "usually" took the Big 8 champ, so there were the occasional outliers. The last outlier was the 1974 season up until the demise of the Big 8 in '96.

The SWC & the Cotton Bowl were aligned from the 1940s until the demise of the SWC in the mid-90s. The Rose Bowl pared the B1G-PAC champions every year beginning in 1947. The Orange Bowl took the Big 8 champ starting in 1954. The Sugar/SEC agreement started in 1975. C'mon people. At least...

I'll say this and take the blowback: The ACC has never been seen as a strong football conference, simply because it wasn't. Go back and look at the ACC champs from the 60s & 70s & 80s. When Clemson won the natty in '81 the whole country was shocked (including the ACC lol). Later, in the years...

But most people don't need 15 minutes to answer a question such as "are you still going to so-and-so church?" or "did you watch the game last night?" or "how old are your grandkids now?" 😄

Lol truer words were never spoken. I have a friend who's a retired attorney and it takes him 15 minutes to answer a simple (not legal) question. A question about anything.

They also took the whole matter to court. Weird flex but in character. .

Dabo is getting left in the dust. We can whine about it but the sport has changed, and time has no reverse gear. Those coaches who can master the portal/NIL/players being paid will be the successful ones moving forward.

My dream scenario: Bama hires Norvell. FSU sucks for the next decade. Then, with the costs down, they leave the ACC And with the brand destroyed, they wind up in the Sun Belt. 😄😄 Welp, just saw that ain't happening.

I think it should be obvious that at the top layers of college football the education part has been mostly irrelevant for a long long long time. We are the only country in the world that attaches an education requirement onto its top young athletes. Related fun fact: The Big Ten (was less...

Your dad is right. There is proof. Back in the day the national champion was chosen before the bowls, because, the bowls were exhibition games. Mich State won the natty in the '65 season; lost the Rose Bowl. Alabama was named champs after the '64 season; lost the Orange Bowl. There are...

I also love how Key - from his first press conference as the new coach - has made it clear that beating Uga is the goal. If we get in their neighborhood.....

Seems as if the players FSU have today can't compete with Ga's 2nd & 3rd team, let alone their starters.

They sent $17 mill according to The Athletic.