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<blockquote data-quote="slugboy" data-source="post: 866737" data-attributes="member: 282"><p>With the caveat that there are much better experts than me--I'm not a roundball expert--The best I can say is “it’s a mixed bag” (no pun intended)</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One 5* makes a bigger impact on a basketball team than it does on a football team.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Basketball has about 7 players playing, and they have to play offense and defense. Football—through offense, defense, and special teams probably has about 40-50 or more players seeing game action. So, a small handful of players have a ton of leverage on how the team plays in basketball, and it's more diffused in football. In basketball, there are a lot of players that take over a game. In football, Lamar Jackson stands out more because a single player doesn’t take over games in football in the same way you see it in basketball.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The last two points talk about how a single player makes a bigger splash in basketball. You'd think that means you cater more to an individual player in basketball.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Now, the flip side--in big league football, you're competing in a pool of 130 teams. In basketball, you're competing with over 300, depending on where you draw the line. In football, we'd never lose a recruit to Xavier--in basketball, Wichita State can be huge.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">So, with basic econ, individual players have a bigger impact. Supply of players is tighter int basketball than it is in football because there are only so many Zion's to go around and a Zion is a bigger deal in basketball than in football. Demand for players--especially game-changers--is higher because so many more schools compete. Thanks to AAU and the shoe companies and various leagues, the number of people walking around trying to influence young men looks a lot more common.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">As far as the peaks and valleys are concerned, we're in a heckuva valley on the football side right now, and making a bowl game as P5 football team has usually been easier than making the NCAA tourney as a basketball team. Part of the reason the valleys are there is because the Ga States and the Mercer's have their paths to the NCAA's and their paths can be a lot easier. There are about -- I think -- 35 or so slots for P6 basketball teams. If you're not in the top third of the ACC year-in and year-out, you're looking at a drought, and Duke, UNC, and UVA have grabbed a big slice of the "top third".</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hewitt had recruiting going on here, and he went to the NCAA's about half the time (5 out of 11 years). If Pastner gets us back to the NCAA's every three years, that's a heckuva rebuild from Gregory.</li> </ul><p>As a total aside, I wonder about having a system like Loyola-Chicago where you can do damage without top-25 recruits. (Yes, I know their coach got poached after last season). Even an FSU where there's some star power but there's a plugable system where you can rotate some players has appeal. I understand having a get-old-stay-old system, and it's smart for us, but Pastner moved to that model after seeing what Notre Dame did with it--GOSO wasn't the plan he'd used before. We're "not old" right now, at least mostly not old, and it's coming with some rough W/L records this year.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="slugboy, post: 866737, member: 282"] With the caveat that there are much better experts than me--I'm not a roundball expert--The best I can say is “it’s a mixed bag” (no pun intended) [LIST] [*]One 5* makes a bigger impact on a basketball team than it does on a football team. [*]Basketball has about 7 players playing, and they have to play offense and defense. Football—through offense, defense, and special teams probably has about 40-50 or more players seeing game action. So, a small handful of players have a ton of leverage on how the team plays in basketball, and it's more diffused in football. In basketball, there are a lot of players that take over a game. In football, Lamar Jackson stands out more because a single player doesn’t take over games in football in the same way you see it in basketball. [*]The last two points talk about how a single player makes a bigger splash in basketball. You'd think that means you cater more to an individual player in basketball. [*]Now, the flip side--in big league football, you're competing in a pool of 130 teams. In basketball, you're competing with over 300, depending on where you draw the line. In football, we'd never lose a recruit to Xavier--in basketball, Wichita State can be huge. [*]So, with basic econ, individual players have a bigger impact. Supply of players is tighter int basketball than it is in football because there are only so many Zion's to go around and a Zion is a bigger deal in basketball than in football. Demand for players--especially game-changers--is higher because so many more schools compete. Thanks to AAU and the shoe companies and various leagues, the number of people walking around trying to influence young men looks a lot more common. [*]As far as the peaks and valleys are concerned, we're in a heckuva valley on the football side right now, and making a bowl game as P5 football team has usually been easier than making the NCAA tourney as a basketball team. Part of the reason the valleys are there is because the Ga States and the Mercer's have their paths to the NCAA's and their paths can be a lot easier. There are about -- I think -- 35 or so slots for P6 basketball teams. If you're not in the top third of the ACC year-in and year-out, you're looking at a drought, and Duke, UNC, and UVA have grabbed a big slice of the "top third". [*]Hewitt had recruiting going on here, and he went to the NCAA's about half the time (5 out of 11 years). If Pastner gets us back to the NCAA's every three years, that's a heckuva rebuild from Gregory. [/LIST] As a total aside, I wonder about having a system like Loyola-Chicago where you can do damage without top-25 recruits. (Yes, I know their coach got poached after last season). Even an FSU where there's some star power but there's a plugable system where you can rotate some players has appeal. I understand having a get-old-stay-old system, and it's smart for us, but Pastner moved to that model after seeing what Notre Dame did with it--GOSO wasn't the plan he'd used before. We're "not old" right now, at least mostly not old, and it's coming with some rough W/L records this year. [/QUOTE]
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