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<blockquote data-quote="Augusta_Jacket" data-source="post: 780661" data-attributes="member: 1191"><p>IMO, this is such a bad take for many reasons. You are absolutely right that if we were to look at the games we'd most likely pick JT of JN over TW, and yet those stats, which is exactly why he is so underrated. The simple truth is that, IMO, TW was the third best QB of the CPJ era, but the separation between him and JN isn't as great as some would like to believe. JN was a horrible passer with great arm strength. DT absolutely made JN as a QB. In 2009, DT accounted for 61% of JNs completions. He accounted for 72% of completions in 2008. DTs being able to beat corners and outleap them for contested balls had more to do with passing success than any other factor. As a matter of fact, DT was the ONLY receiver on the team to have double digit receptions in both 2008 and 2009. In contrast, in 2012 one of the more reliable receivers was AB Robert Godhigh, who was maybe 5'7" and was a former walk on. TW knew how to find receivers, and despite his limitations, hit them more often than Nesbitt. What made JN dangerous was his running game. When there was a threat of a deep out to DT, defenses had to stay honest and it opened up lanes for JN to operate in. And yet, with a good bit less athletic talent, and no reliable deep threat equal to DT, TW managed to nearly equal JNs rushing stats as a starter, and still holds the record for rushing TDs by a QB. JT IMO is clearly the best QB at GT since JoeHam, and IMO, is second best since 1990. TW has been much maligned over the years, but you can't ignore the stats. And these particular stats aren't manipulated, they are the standard statistics that have been used to define and judge QB play for decades. If you can't look at the game tape of TW and then look at his stats and come to the conclusion that he <strong><em>HAD </em></strong>to have been a heck of a QB to compile the stats he did with the talent he had, then I would question if you've seen more than 30 seconds of football.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Augusta_Jacket, post: 780661, member: 1191"] IMO, this is such a bad take for many reasons. You are absolutely right that if we were to look at the games we'd most likely pick JT of JN over TW, and yet those stats, which is exactly why he is so underrated. The simple truth is that, IMO, TW was the third best QB of the CPJ era, but the separation between him and JN isn't as great as some would like to believe. JN was a horrible passer with great arm strength. DT absolutely made JN as a QB. In 2009, DT accounted for 61% of JNs completions. He accounted for 72% of completions in 2008. DTs being able to beat corners and outleap them for contested balls had more to do with passing success than any other factor. As a matter of fact, DT was the ONLY receiver on the team to have double digit receptions in both 2008 and 2009. In contrast, in 2012 one of the more reliable receivers was AB Robert Godhigh, who was maybe 5'7" and was a former walk on. TW knew how to find receivers, and despite his limitations, hit them more often than Nesbitt. What made JN dangerous was his running game. When there was a threat of a deep out to DT, defenses had to stay honest and it opened up lanes for JN to operate in. And yet, with a good bit less athletic talent, and no reliable deep threat equal to DT, TW managed to nearly equal JNs rushing stats as a starter, and still holds the record for rushing TDs by a QB. JT IMO is clearly the best QB at GT since JoeHam, and IMO, is second best since 1990. TW has been much maligned over the years, but you can't ignore the stats. And these particular stats aren't manipulated, they are the standard statistics that have been used to define and judge QB play for decades. If you can't look at the game tape of TW and then look at his stats and come to the conclusion that he [B][I]HAD [/I][/B]to have been a heck of a QB to compile the stats he did with the talent he had, then I would question if you've seen more than 30 seconds of football. [/QUOTE]
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