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TheTechGuy said:
Mike Norvell’s struggles at FSU this year aren’t due to Taggart’s former offensive style. Pro-style offenses aren’t blamed when new coaches struggle.
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So are you suggesting Norvell isn’t a competent coach? I mean FSU is one of the top 5 most talented teams in the ACC and might finish dead last.
Is Paul Chryst an incompetent coach? He lost to FCS Youngstown State his first game as Pitt’s coach, lost another FCS game in year 3, and finished his career there under .500. But you guys rave about how Wisconsin produces talent with lesser recruiting based on their coaching. So is he incompetent? Or a good coach?
Is Pat Fitzgerald a bad coach? He lost to FCS New Hampshire by 17 points his first year at Northwestern.
Is Scott Frost a bad coach? He lost to Troy his first year at former powerhouse Nebraska and hasn’t put up a winning record yet.
Is David Cutcliffe incompetent? It took him 6 years to put up a winning record at Duke.
TheTechGuy said:
Reality is that a competent coach can transition from the 3O and many other programs would trade our 10 years under the 3O for their 10 years running whatever else.
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How do you know this is the reality. Tech is the only team to transition out of a wishbone/flexbone based 3O into a more pro-style offense in the last 20 years. There hasn’t even been a true wishbone 3O team in major college football outside of Tech since the turn of the century. The actual reality is that it just takes time for a coaching change to produce results in the vast majority of cases. Very few coaches can come in and have a team firing on all cylinders in year 1, and most of them struggle is years 2 and 3 as well. Year 3 is when you can start seeing the trajectory of the program, and year 4 is when you can tell whether the guy is right for the job or not. You said pro-style offense aren’t blamed when other coaches take over new positions, so why do you ignore the fact that numerous head coaches who are considered good at their jobs struggled to turn around teams without overhauling their base of their fundamentals?
TheTechGuy said:
Obviously, a contingent on this board have chosen to lean into a lazy narrative to protect the Waffle House guy.
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Obviously a contingent on this board is willing to overlook history not only at Georgia Tech, but around the country, ignore trends, downplay a transition, and act like triple option football is the only way Georgia Tech will win games.
 
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JacketOff said:
How do you know this is the reality. Tech is the only team to transition out of a wishbone/flexbone based 3O into a more pro-style offense in the last 20 years. There hasn’t even been a true wishbone 3O team in major college football outside of Tech since the turn of the century. The actual reality is that it just takes time for a coaching change to produce results in the vast majority of cases. Very few coaches can come in and have a team firing on all cylinders in year 1, and most of them struggle is years 2 and 3 as well. Year 3 is when you can start seeing the trajectory of the program, and year 4 is when you can tell whether the guy is right for the job or not. You said pro-style offense aren’t blamed when other coaches take over new positions, so why do you ignore the fact that numerous head coaches who are considered good at their jobs struggled to turn around teams without overhauling their base of their fundamentals?

Obviously a contingent on this board is willing to overlook history not only at Georgia Tech, but around the country, ignore trends, downplay a transition, and act like triple option football is the only way Georgia Tech will win games.
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If the CGC tenure does not work out, it won't be because "GT tried to do it like everyone else", it'll be because our HC and assistants didn't turn out to be as good of a field coach as a recruiting coach. Half of our fans will fall back to "GT should have stuck with the option", but the reality is, half of our fans couldn't tell you the difference between what Clemson/Oklahoma/Alabama/Ole Miss/Ohio State all do. They may all look the same because the QB is in the shotgun and they have multiple receivers, but the offenses are all different. Yes, like any other offense (or defense), the better players you have the easier it is to win, but just because the offenses "look the same" doesn't mean they are.

Look at Indiana and Northwestern. They're not recruiting well, but Northwestern especially, has been outhitting their recruiting. Indiana is having a HELL of a season, and their offense "looks like everyone else's", but they marching up and down the field on Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State with far inferior recruits. It's because their coach is a heck of a coach and has nothing to do with "they're doing the same things as everyone else".

I enjoyed CPJ's time here, and I believe he deserves to be in the ring of honor sooner rather than later, but too many of our fans heard him say "you can't do the same things as everyone else" and expect to win and keep regurgitating it.
 
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4shotB said:
South Carolina has been the same more or less forever. The Ol' Ball coach, who was good enough to win an ACC championship at Duke (let that sink in) and a NC at UF when they had previously been an afterthought in college FB, didn't move the needle a whole lot there.
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Umm...what?
He probably went on their best 4 year tear in the programs’s history with record and recruiting. I think they went 11-2 three years in a row? The needle was moved on the national scale in a MAJOR way at the time bruh.
That’s a good job for the right coach. Monken would be fine there imo.
 
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