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<blockquote data-quote="lv20gt" data-source="post: 233347" data-attributes="member: 2299"><p>I'm not sure your point on my comments about Lammers in relation to Mitchell/Jacobs. I'll take Lammers over Jacobs or Mitchell because he is more of a true center and I think he has better basketball IQ and decision making, I also don't see the massive drop off from Jacobs/Mitchell to Lammers statistically late in last season. Lammers rebounded at a similar rate, and he scored less but on higher percentage, and it's fair to assume that if he played starter minutes he would shoot more, thus scoring more points but hurting his percentage. You said he didn't come close to either one in stats. My argument was that late in ACC play he wasn't the far off in stats when adjustments are made for minutes played and using a little logic to adjust the stats for if he became a starter looked more to score than he was last year. </p><p></p><p>As far as Q goes, he averaged 5.5 rpg in 10 games against ACC teams from the SF position once Hunt effectively became a PG. This was with usually playing with two post players and in an effective big line up with Hunt instead of a point guard meaning that he got those number in a lot of lineups that were probably rebound heavy. It really shouldn't be that controversial to think that number will go up if he's the starting PF. Also, I wouldn't call twelfth in a conference a top rebounder. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Lammers has as much away from the basket game as Mitchell did, and Jacobs wasn't that much better. Also you claim he will have problems rebounding or defending but come on. Towards the end of ACC play he was rebounding at a rate that was competitive with Jacobs and Mitchell, and people thought Mitchell was an amazing rebounder. Considering that Lammers will have had a summer and fall to add on weight that worry isn't warranted. As far as defense he was our best defensive big last year as he was. Sure, he'll probably struggle some against the elite level guys. So what? So to did Jacobs and Mitchell and elite level guys are elite level for a reason. Not every team is going to have them. </p><p></p><p>Q will struggle defensively. It's a trade off, better offensive spacing for worse defense, although it's not like either Mitchel or Jacobs were great in that area anyways. And in any case he couldn't defend at the SF position either so even the defensive loss at the 4 is potential offset to some degree by him not defending the 3 position. And yes, he is not a great 3 point shooter. Which is why he shouldn't have been playing the 3 spot. But a PF who can shoot 32% is much more valuable than a SF that can shoot 32%. With the loss of Smith Q's 3 point attempts will probably go up and if he can maintain the 32%, or hopefully improve it some, at the PF spot, that will do wonders to spread out the offense and open the lane. As far as last 8 games, which was of ACC play by the, I wasn't focusing on Mitchell's final 8 games. I was focusing on Lammers in order to compare the post play of Lammers lat in the year in order to account for the improvement that he made. During that time period he averaged 5.25 rebs per game from the 3 and .75 blocks per game. Anyways, Q is better suited to defend the 4 than the 3 anyways, because he was to slow to defend the majority of the SFs in the league, and while the more post oriented PFs will take advantage of his lack of bulk, the best match up for him is guarding guys similar to him, the stretch 4s. His length will probably also lead to more blocks, and in conjunction with the increase defense by having Lammers play moreprobably means there won't be much of a drop off defensively in the interior except against teams that really run two post line ups. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Where are you getting he was second in percentage? . <a href="http://www.theacc.com/page/team-stats-m-baskbl-stat-crew" target="_blank">Here</a> is the ACC official stats Smith was 6th overall and 8th in conference in 3 point%.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lv20gt, post: 233347, member: 2299"] I'm not sure your point on my comments about Lammers in relation to Mitchell/Jacobs. I'll take Lammers over Jacobs or Mitchell because he is more of a true center and I think he has better basketball IQ and decision making, I also don't see the massive drop off from Jacobs/Mitchell to Lammers statistically late in last season. Lammers rebounded at a similar rate, and he scored less but on higher percentage, and it's fair to assume that if he played starter minutes he would shoot more, thus scoring more points but hurting his percentage. You said he didn't come close to either one in stats. My argument was that late in ACC play he wasn't the far off in stats when adjustments are made for minutes played and using a little logic to adjust the stats for if he became a starter looked more to score than he was last year. As far as Q goes, he averaged 5.5 rpg in 10 games against ACC teams from the SF position once Hunt effectively became a PG. This was with usually playing with two post players and in an effective big line up with Hunt instead of a point guard meaning that he got those number in a lot of lineups that were probably rebound heavy. It really shouldn't be that controversial to think that number will go up if he's the starting PF. Also, I wouldn't call twelfth in a conference a top rebounder. Lammers has as much away from the basket game as Mitchell did, and Jacobs wasn't that much better. Also you claim he will have problems rebounding or defending but come on. Towards the end of ACC play he was rebounding at a rate that was competitive with Jacobs and Mitchell, and people thought Mitchell was an amazing rebounder. Considering that Lammers will have had a summer and fall to add on weight that worry isn't warranted. As far as defense he was our best defensive big last year as he was. Sure, he'll probably struggle some against the elite level guys. So what? So to did Jacobs and Mitchell and elite level guys are elite level for a reason. Not every team is going to have them. Q will struggle defensively. It's a trade off, better offensive spacing for worse defense, although it's not like either Mitchel or Jacobs were great in that area anyways. And in any case he couldn't defend at the SF position either so even the defensive loss at the 4 is potential offset to some degree by him not defending the 3 position. And yes, he is not a great 3 point shooter. Which is why he shouldn't have been playing the 3 spot. But a PF who can shoot 32% is much more valuable than a SF that can shoot 32%. With the loss of Smith Q's 3 point attempts will probably go up and if he can maintain the 32%, or hopefully improve it some, at the PF spot, that will do wonders to spread out the offense and open the lane. As far as last 8 games, which was of ACC play by the, I wasn't focusing on Mitchell's final 8 games. I was focusing on Lammers in order to compare the post play of Lammers lat in the year in order to account for the improvement that he made. During that time period he averaged 5.25 rebs per game from the 3 and .75 blocks per game. Anyways, Q is better suited to defend the 4 than the 3 anyways, because he was to slow to defend the majority of the SFs in the league, and while the more post oriented PFs will take advantage of his lack of bulk, the best match up for him is guarding guys similar to him, the stretch 4s. His length will probably also lead to more blocks, and in conjunction with the increase defense by having Lammers play moreprobably means there won't be much of a drop off defensively in the interior except against teams that really run two post line ups. Where are you getting he was second in percentage? . [URL='http://www.theacc.com/page/team-stats-m-baskbl-stat-crew']Here[/URL] is the ACC official stats Smith was 6th overall and 8th in conference in 3 point%. [/QUOTE]
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