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<blockquote data-quote="lv20gt" data-source="post: 233302" data-attributes="member: 2299"><p>3.5 in conference play. I haven't looked at our schedule recently but I could reasonably see anywhere from about 0-6 win in conferences depending on how it lays out and depending on the bounces. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I disagree. IMO they were both significantly better players in certain areas, Jacobs in scoring ability and Mitchell in rebounding. However I thought Lammers was the more well rounded player, but lacking the one area that stood out. I thought he was a better defender, and certainly better rim protector. I also thought, although this isn't as certain, that he had a higher basketball IQ and made better decisions, especially in comparison to Mitchell. At the 4 both Mitchell and Jacobs were probably more talented than Q, but neither was a 3 point threat, and while 32% is not great, bringing that % to the 4 spot should open up the floor more for driving opportunities. The lack of any sort of 3 point threat from the 4 position clogged up things last year. So what might be lost in talent, and I don't think the drop off is drastic, should be compensated by the court spacing. Defensively we'll improve at the 5, and probably decline at the 4, but Stephens is probably better suited to guard the 4 than the 3 against most teams, unless they are running a true dual post scheme. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then he wasn't asked to do enough. A good team isn't composed of a bunch of players that just do one thing well. Smith's lack of real point guard skills, and sub-par defense hurt us last year. So yes while he was a good shooter, and had the potential to go off, his go off games didn't always translate to wins, and when he wasn't on he was borderline useless. And because of team composition, and no 3 point threat from the 4 spot, his ability to shoot 3s outweighed pretty much any other aspect of the game. With /McCormick at the 4, we can afford to drop a little shooting at the 2 spot for increased ball handling, defense, and penetration potential. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When Hunt was handling the ball I consider that to be us running a no PG line up. Easier analysis. If you want to consider him at the PG spot then fine, but when he was at PG he wasn't at SF, and I think it's likely that Matthews/Okogie can contribute at the 3 as much as our non Hunt SF's did last year. Considering Hunt as purely a SF, then with Heath returning we basically add Moore and whatever surprise he might bring. At worst he is not much of a factor which is no worse than what Jorgenson was last year. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree. Hunt did so much for us that it isn't reasonable to expect to replace him. For us to do so it wouldn't be one guy. It would be at a minimum two freshmen, Okogie/Matthews and Moore, playing at a level that isn't right to expect them to play at. But things do happen. Freshmen have come in and played at a level higher than expected. IIRC Hanlan was a 3* who burst out as a freshman. I'm not expecting it, but it does happen. In all I expect the loss of Hunt to hurt us a ton but I also expect it to be by far the biggest loss. Center should improve, PG has the potential to do so, and both SG and PF will be very different than last year. But different doesn't mean worse. Replacing a guy doesn't just mean looking what at one guy could do well and seeing how his replacement will do in that area. We are going to transition from a mostly 2 PF post play line ups to a true center + stretch 4 line up by the looks of it. It's going to look different and we're going to have different weaknesses, but if you punt Hunt on next year's team I think it would have a decent chance at making the NIT. With Hunt, I would argue next year has a better team composition. And his loss is why I'm seeing a drastic loss in the W column. If by some miracle though the freshmen do step up and replace what we lost with him more or less, then I do expect similar results. But that's too much to reasonable expect from them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lv20gt, post: 233302, member: 2299"] 3.5 in conference play. I haven't looked at our schedule recently but I could reasonably see anywhere from about 0-6 win in conferences depending on how it lays out and depending on the bounces. I disagree. IMO they were both significantly better players in certain areas, Jacobs in scoring ability and Mitchell in rebounding. However I thought Lammers was the more well rounded player, but lacking the one area that stood out. I thought he was a better defender, and certainly better rim protector. I also thought, although this isn't as certain, that he had a higher basketball IQ and made better decisions, especially in comparison to Mitchell. At the 4 both Mitchell and Jacobs were probably more talented than Q, but neither was a 3 point threat, and while 32% is not great, bringing that % to the 4 spot should open up the floor more for driving opportunities. The lack of any sort of 3 point threat from the 4 position clogged up things last year. So what might be lost in talent, and I don't think the drop off is drastic, should be compensated by the court spacing. Defensively we'll improve at the 5, and probably decline at the 4, but Stephens is probably better suited to guard the 4 than the 3 against most teams, unless they are running a true dual post scheme. Then he wasn't asked to do enough. A good team isn't composed of a bunch of players that just do one thing well. Smith's lack of real point guard skills, and sub-par defense hurt us last year. So yes while he was a good shooter, and had the potential to go off, his go off games didn't always translate to wins, and when he wasn't on he was borderline useless. And because of team composition, and no 3 point threat from the 4 spot, his ability to shoot 3s outweighed pretty much any other aspect of the game. With /McCormick at the 4, we can afford to drop a little shooting at the 2 spot for increased ball handling, defense, and penetration potential. When Hunt was handling the ball I consider that to be us running a no PG line up. Easier analysis. If you want to consider him at the PG spot then fine, but when he was at PG he wasn't at SF, and I think it's likely that Matthews/Okogie can contribute at the 3 as much as our non Hunt SF's did last year. Considering Hunt as purely a SF, then with Heath returning we basically add Moore and whatever surprise he might bring. At worst he is not much of a factor which is no worse than what Jorgenson was last year. I agree. Hunt did so much for us that it isn't reasonable to expect to replace him. For us to do so it wouldn't be one guy. It would be at a minimum two freshmen, Okogie/Matthews and Moore, playing at a level that isn't right to expect them to play at. But things do happen. Freshmen have come in and played at a level higher than expected. IIRC Hanlan was a 3* who burst out as a freshman. I'm not expecting it, but it does happen. In all I expect the loss of Hunt to hurt us a ton but I also expect it to be by far the biggest loss. Center should improve, PG has the potential to do so, and both SG and PF will be very different than last year. But different doesn't mean worse. Replacing a guy doesn't just mean looking what at one guy could do well and seeing how his replacement will do in that area. We are going to transition from a mostly 2 PF post play line ups to a true center + stretch 4 line up by the looks of it. It's going to look different and we're going to have different weaknesses, but if you punt Hunt on next year's team I think it would have a decent chance at making the NIT. With Hunt, I would argue next year has a better team composition. And his loss is why I'm seeing a drastic loss in the W column. If by some miracle though the freshmen do step up and replace what we lost with him more or less, then I do expect similar results. But that's too much to reasonable expect from them. [/QUOTE]
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