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Saw this article on Virginia Tech enhancing Fuente and his staff's contracts:

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-fuente-hokies-contract-extension-0131-story.html

I view VT as a peer program in a lot of ways. We look a lot more like them than we do Miami, Clemson, FSU.

Seeing what they are paying Fuente may be a glimpse of what GT is looking at financially in the next coaching search. Also reinforces that we're getting a heck of a bargain with CPJ for his resume and track record here.
 

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Its kind of ironic too, because that job has tons of things lined up well. On the surface when you hear "Virginia Tech", you think it must be very similar to Georgia Tech, but its not in many respects. I am a member of the Rivals paysite, and every year I read about guys we are chasing that can't gain admissions here, but can over there.

Furthermore, their annual crossover opponent in football is Boston College. Compare that to ours with Clemson.

Furthermore, furthermore, their annual rivalry game is with Virginia. Compare that to ours with georgia.

Next year they play William & Mary (2-10), Old Dominion (5-7), and East Carolina (3-9).

Next year their schedule includes TWO teams that finished over 0.500 in the regular season last year. TWO. And it would have been only 1 if not for getting Notre Dame in the semi-so-often schedule. By comparison, we face SEVEN.
 

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bwelbo said:
Its kind of ironic too, because that job has tons of things lined up well. On the surface when you hear "Virginia Tech", you think it must be very similar to Georgia Tech, but its not in many respects. I am a member of the Rivals paysite, and every year I read about guys we are chasing that can't gain admissions here, but can over there.

Furthermore, their annual crossover opponent in football is Boston College. Compare that to ours with Clemson.

Furthermore, furthermore, their annual rivalry game is with Virginia. Compare that to ours with georgia.

Next year they play William & Mary (2-10), Old Dominion (5-7), and East Carolina (3-9).

Next year their schedule includes TWO teams that finished over 0.500 in the regular season last year. TWO. And it would have been only 1 if not for getting Notre Dame in the semi-so-often schedule. By comparison, we face SEVEN.
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Not really trading Virginia for Georgia (since we play Virginia too), but rather Virginia for East Carolina.

Yeah, it sucks...but IIWII. Regarding Clemson, no one was complaining about playing Clemson when we beat them 5 out of 6 times from 2007 to 2011, but now that they're top-5 we tend to use it as a crutch...and does anyone really want to stop playing Georgia? I sure as hell don't...I mean it sucks that we lose to them as often as we do, but it's my favorite game on our schedule.

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This is what I point to whenever anyone talks about firing Paul Johnson. As a cash-strapped program, we simply cannot afford to pay Hewitt, Gregory, Pastner, Johnson, and any new guy worth his salt. The new ACC hires from 2 years ago (Fuente, Mendenhall, and Richt) all make more than CPJ. We'd be sending our program back a decade. Even if we had the cash, it's hard to find a coach of CPJ's caliber that would want to stay at GT long term. He's turned down a couple offers at bigger programs for more money already.
 
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Not trying to re-litigate coaching decisions, but when you think about the $13-15 million that could have been invested in our football and basketball programs rather than buyouts over the last 5-10 years, it'd be a pretty staggering difference. There are schools where paying millions to ex-coaches is barely a drop in the bucket, but at places like Georgia Tech, it's playing with one arm tied behind your back.
 
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TechCubed said:
Not trying to re-litigate coaching decisions, but when you think about the $13-15 million that could have been invested in our football and basketball programs rather than buyouts over the last 5-10 years, it'd be a pretty staggering difference. There are schools where paying millions to ex-coaches is barely a drop in the bucket, but at places like Georgia Tech, it's playing with one arm tied behind your back.
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Man that Hewitt contract sure was something. What kind of AD gives a coach a lifetime contract after one good season? I bet they’ll be poppin bottles at the Edge when it finally comes off the books.
 
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deeeznutz said:
Man that Hewitt contract sure was something. What kind of AD gives a coach a lifetime contract after one good season? I bet they’ll be poppin bottles at the Edge when it finally comes off the books.
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Braine made so many poor decisions you have to wonder if they were on purpose sometimes.
 

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I don't think this is focusing on the right question.

The real issue is why "big-time" college football has become such major focus at (particularly) public colleges and universities. The reason coaches are paid the obscene salaries they get has more to do with that then anything else. I'm sure that if you got most of them - there are exceptions - into your den and got a few drinks down them, they'd admit that they are ridiculously overpaid. But neither I or anyone else in his right mind would expect them to turn down extra money; you ask for what the market will bear.

I'm not going to belabor the list again with a long post about what's wrong with this. But there's a lot wrong with it and it will, sooner or later, collapse of its own weight. You can't live a 600 lb. life forever. The recent decision by Idaho to drop FBS sports is, I think, likely to be followed by others in the next decade or so.
 
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takethepoints said:
I don't think this is focusing on the right question.

The real issue is why "big-time" college football has become such major focus at (particularly) public colleges and universities. The reason coaches are paid the obscene salaries they get has more to do with that then anything else. I'm sure that if you got most of them - there are exceptions - into your den and got a few drinks down them, they'd admit that they are ridiculously overpaid. But neither I or anyone else in his right mind would expect them to turn down extra money; you ask for what the market will bear.

I'm not going to belabor the list again with a long post about what's wrong with this. But there's a lot wrong with it and it will, sooner or later, collapse of its own weight. You can't live a 600 lb. life forever. The recent decision by Idaho to drop FBS sports is, I think, likely to be followed by others in the next decade or so.
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I could see Charlotte dropping football in the not too distant future. They've made no progress at all starting their program and seem to be regressing.
 

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deeeznutz said:
Man that Hewitt contract sure was something. What kind of AD gives a coach a lifetime contract after one good season? I bet they’ll be poppin bottles at the Edge when it finally comes off the books.
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One whose basketball coach has just taken you to the national championship game and has a pretty fair team coming back. This turned out to be a very poor decision, but I didn't hear much bellyaching about it at the time.

But, yes, it'll be beer and skittles at the Edge when Hewitt finally gets paid off.
 
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takethepoints said:
One whose basketball coach has just taken you to the national championship game and has a pretty fair team coming back. This turned out to be a very poor decision, but I didn't hear much bellyaching about it at the time.

But, yes, it'll be beer and skittles at the Edge when Hewitt finally gets paid off.
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It will be the same situation that Tennessee had when they finished paying off Phil Fulmer and Derek Dooley;)
 

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takethepoints said:
One whose basketball coach has just taken you to the national championship game and has a pretty fair team coming back. This turned out to be a very poor decision, but I didn't hear much bellyaching about it at the time.

But, yes, it'll be beer and skittles at the Edge when Hewitt finally gets paid off.
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There may not have been any bellyaching at the time and at the time giving Hewitt a big contract might have been appropriate. What wasn't appropriate, however, was agreeing to a contract with guaranteed money that automatically renewed. The AD should have known that was an inherently bad idea. The auto-renewal might have been fine if there was some limit on the money, but the way the contract was written, dismissing Hewitt always carried a $7M price tag. With "normal" contracts, you can simply choose to not renew the contract when it expires and thus pay nothing. That may not be a great option, but it is an option.
 
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