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<blockquote data-quote="Skeptic" data-source="post: 667619" data-attributes="member: 2175"><p>I don't think I have ever heard so many spectacular superlatives as associated with a coach who has yet to achieve accomplishments to match. Between "monumental", "...rebuild in the history of ", "great recruiter" and now right there at the top "on the planet" with details, there doesn't seem to be much wriggle room should one dissent. Personally, I think it way too early to chisel a view in stone either way.</p><p></p><p>Not sure if you recall the opening salvos of this "fun" atmosphere in Division One football, though it had great success in lower classifications. It started with Dabo Swinney at Clemson, and early on a lot of us saw him as kind of silly and wrote him off. It is 10 years, five ACC titles, two NCs, and now (presumably) Clemson's fifth straight NC appearance. Now he is emulated at Louisville, UNC-Charlotte, Arizona State, and even at UNC-Chapel Hill where an old head like Mack Brown has signed on to the philosophy full bore after burning out at Texas. They do it differently, but the philosophy is the same. For Swinney it is "all in", meaning getting players, coaches, staff wives of coaches, the administration right up to the school president, and faculty "all in" with the football program. (He also does stuff like cookouts for everybody, including wives or girlfriends, and once he rented an entire amusement park for a day for everybody. Brent Venables once said if there was an hour of practice time left in the week he would always opt for another walk-through, but Dabo would likely give them the time off.</p><p></p><p>A lot of the voters on the playoff committee are old-school and some seem to resent such an approach being successful because it wasn't done that way back then. It shows sometime in the voting. </p><p></p><p>So if Collins is about fun, he is far from the first and in all likelihood got it from Clemson, but the "culture" is an incredibly difficult thing to implement. "Fun" is just part of it, and maybe a minor part.</p><p></p><p>I don't get "easier to play for" Collins than Saban, unless Saban is more demanding? From all accounts the Alabama atmosphere is stifling; once again he probably will fire about half his coaching staff, yet there he is: leads in recruiting, leads in sending players to the NFL -- I think I read 11 projected this season -- leads in winning, and leads in the sport's greatest shill, Paul Finebaum. I am pretty sure his players respect him because he has earned it. One doesn't have to like him or his methods to respect him. Finally, I doubt "demanding" respect ever worked for anybody.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Skeptic, post: 667619, member: 2175"] I don't think I have ever heard so many spectacular superlatives as associated with a coach who has yet to achieve accomplishments to match. Between "monumental", "...rebuild in the history of ", "great recruiter" and now right there at the top "on the planet" with details, there doesn't seem to be much wriggle room should one dissent. Personally, I think it way too early to chisel a view in stone either way. Not sure if you recall the opening salvos of this "fun" atmosphere in Division One football, though it had great success in lower classifications. It started with Dabo Swinney at Clemson, and early on a lot of us saw him as kind of silly and wrote him off. It is 10 years, five ACC titles, two NCs, and now (presumably) Clemson's fifth straight NC appearance. Now he is emulated at Louisville, UNC-Charlotte, Arizona State, and even at UNC-Chapel Hill where an old head like Mack Brown has signed on to the philosophy full bore after burning out at Texas. They do it differently, but the philosophy is the same. For Swinney it is "all in", meaning getting players, coaches, staff wives of coaches, the administration right up to the school president, and faculty "all in" with the football program. (He also does stuff like cookouts for everybody, including wives or girlfriends, and once he rented an entire amusement park for a day for everybody. Brent Venables once said if there was an hour of practice time left in the week he would always opt for another walk-through, but Dabo would likely give them the time off. A lot of the voters on the playoff committee are old-school and some seem to resent such an approach being successful because it wasn't done that way back then. It shows sometime in the voting. So if Collins is about fun, he is far from the first and in all likelihood got it from Clemson, but the "culture" is an incredibly difficult thing to implement. "Fun" is just part of it, and maybe a minor part. I don't get "easier to play for" Collins than Saban, unless Saban is more demanding? From all accounts the Alabama atmosphere is stifling; once again he probably will fire about half his coaching staff, yet there he is: leads in recruiting, leads in sending players to the NFL -- I think I read 11 projected this season -- leads in winning, and leads in the sport's greatest shill, Paul Finebaum. I am pretty sure his players respect him because he has earned it. One doesn't have to like him or his methods to respect him. Finally, I doubt "demanding" respect ever worked for anybody. [/QUOTE]
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