Singleton to Portal

[Root4GT]

If Singleton makes it to the NFL, it will be because he's good, not because he transferred to a football factory. A higher percentage of players go to the NFL from football factories because they have a higher concentration of good players. I mean, duh. Any individual outstanding player has the same chance to go to the NFL no matter where he played in college. Do you know what circular reasoning is?

If you play against the best every day it will make you better. If whenever he goes makes him a better player good for him. He was very good for us for 2 years. Glad he played here.

Logic applies

 

[jojatk]

Guess he doesn’t want to be here that bad


This tweet is from last year

Some of you act like the circumstances in your lives never changed from one day to the next much less over a 12 month period. At the time that was how he felt and he certainly played hard here doing every bit of what the coaches asked. He blocked. He ran the ball. He took big hits. And he got some good NIL, too, so I’m happy that happened for him.

I’m bummed he’s looking at leaving, too. I’m just not going to hold a kid to a standard that includes never changing his mind.

 

[Root4GT]

Some of you act like the circumstances in your lives never changed from one day to the next much less over a 12 month period. At the time that was how he felt and he certainly played hard here doing every bit of what the coaches asked. He blocked. He ran the ball. He took big hits. And he got some good NIL, too, so I’m happy that happened for him.

I’m bummed he’s looking at leaving, too. I’m just not going to hold a kid to a standard that includes never changing his mind.

Amen.

 

[jojatk]

He’s going to run in the low 4.3s, therefore his stats are good enough. He’s already a Day 2 pick. This isn’t a decision to raise his NFL stock.

You completely missed my point. This was not about his draft potential though I understand that it sounds that way. What I meant was that when he looks at those stats he may feel like he is more elite than most of the guys above him and it would be great to play in an offense that shows that. It’s about ego. Not draftability. Sorry I wasn’t clear about that.

 

[mts315]

Needs to be a equivalent limit on the amount of NIL money that each school can use and then up to the schools to allocate more of those monies to their better players else this kinda stuff will never stop.

Schools are not paying this money. The NIL isn't coming from the AA, the NCAA has no ability to cap it. I am actually surprised that NIL collectives are as involved with coaches and AAs as they have become

This all really started with a few athletes having huge social media followings and wanting to collect that money. They weren't huge on social media because they played at a particular school but because they were charismatic. The NCAA has no way of regulating how much an athlete can earn from Instagram, YouTube, etc.

 

[CLHarperJackt]

Who said there was only one factor?

One of the early association reasons was “let’s compensate players similarly” with scholarships, for instance. They’ve always been closely linked.

The ACC wouldn’t have taken Miami and VT if they weren’t trying to get good players.

People have given players scholarships for nearly a hundred years. They’ve paid more under the table for almost long time too. They do it because it works. Getting better players improves their results and results in both pride and $$& that they can use to further advantage themselves. It’s plain to see in the history and present both.

Do you really think they’re all just stupid and throwing away all that money for no effect?

The issues were 1) whether or not back in the day colleges and universities were unfairly exploiting college athletes, i.e. making money off the backs of unfairly uncompensated athletes; (You yourself, however, acknowledge that for a hundred years, they were in fact compensated.) and 2) whether the current system of NIL and the Transfer portal was what we had been calling for.

So let me clarify: 1) No, I don't feel that colleges and universities are making millions off of the backs of athletes, that is unfairly exploiting the players. I feel that colleges and universities are, as they have been, making millions off of their athletic association/affiliations with each other, which also always provided some benefits to college athletes as well, i.e. free education, training and development. Moreover, having the best players/athletes has not been and is not a requirement for the money (Ticket sells, TV and Donations) to flow to associated schools, as demonstrated by the histories of various associations barring of the best players, i.e. freshmen, professionals, fifth year players, blacks, etc. from participating.

2) Concerning NIL and the transfer portal - I'm not against and don't begrudge the new student athlete autonomy; however, free agency is why I lost interest in following the NFL, Major League Baseball and College Basketball. Now, I don't know if or how long I'll maintain interest the College Football.

 

[forensicbuzz]

It’s not about purely making it to the NFL. It’s about how much you’re making in your first contract (i.e. where you get drafted). I hate it for us, but I doubt Gibbs goes #12 overall if he played for the 2022 GT team and then declared.

Of course he would have. Calvin went #2 from GT.

 

[Root4GT]

Of course he would have. Calvin went #2 from GT.

Gibbs is excellent. Calvin is a Hall of Fame player. There is a difference. No telling how it would have gone for Gibbs had he stayed at GT. Maybe as good and maybe not.

Glad he was here 2 years.

 

[cpf2001]

The issues were 1) whether or not back in the day colleges and universities were unfairly exploiting college athletes, i.e. making money off the backs of unfairly uncompensated athletes; (You yourself, however, acknowledge that for a hundred years, they were in fact compensated.) and 2) whether the current system of NIL and the Transfer portal was what we had been calling for.

Personally I think it was only in the cable TV era that the compensation fell way too far behind. I do think it was unfair to say “we’re gonna cap what we give you” and meanwhile go nuts with coaches salaries and other non-athlete roles on staffs and in athletic departments. Just do what other sports do and negotiate an agreement and have basic contracts. Shouldn’t be that hard.

There’s certainly brand values in the schools’ history and traditions but there’s also enough value in winning for coaches’ salaries to go up and up and up in the TV era. The players should get some of that too.

Honestly a lot of it has nothing to do with the schools or the coaches or the players, but just changes in the overall advertising and entertainment industries, but if ESPN has billions to spend as a result of that, it should go to everyone involved.

 

[Spalding Jacket]

No inside info, but would be interesting if this was a scouting job by coaches to get a feel for what top programs are offering star receivers. Singleton and I believe his Dad have commented on how they love GT and want to stay in past year. Maybe farfetched, but could be a big brain move by Key?

 

[MacDaddy2]

If only King handed him the ball on that jet sweep in OT

Singleton was electric. Would love to have him back. Will root for him as long as he's not a mutt

Didn't root for A. Brown, N. McCollum nor Jared Ivey when they transferred. You are either for us or against us.

 

[Tommy_Taylor_1972]

Honor? You speak of honor in college sports today?

Not one of the driving character traits in today's athletics as it used to be.

We lived in a very different World in the early 1970s. It is not reasonable to compare 2024 to 1972

 

[Tommy_Taylor_1972]

Honor? You speak of honor in college sports today?

For some of the 440,000 NCAA student athletes, there is still honor. But maybe not for those who overestimate their worth in the marketplace in the transfer portal and don't dance with the one who brung em' (by going into the portal).

 

[GTBandit22]

Gibbs is excellent. Calvin is a Hall of Fame player. There is a difference. No telling how it would have gone for Gibbs had he stayed at GT. Maybe as good and maybe not.

Glad he was here 2 years.

Derrick Morgan, Morgan Burnett, Michael Johnson, Daryl Smith. All had long careers as NFL starters. Daryl smith played for 15 years.
GT didn’t make those guys, just as Bama didn’t make Gibbs great.
If you’re pulling top 5 classes every year, you get more high end athletes like that. Some of them are great college players and some are at the top end of measurables and get drafted despite less than stellar game tape. Some flame out. But you get more chances to find those type of guys with highly rated classes.

What I’m saying is that I think the idea that playing for Bama prepares you for the nfl more than GT is nonsense. Bama didn’t teach linebackers to be 6’4 250 and run like a deer just as GT doesn’t. There’s also a laundry list of guys from ALL schools that aren’t NFL measurable guys but are GREAT college players. Guys like Julian Burnett are among the great MLB to ever play for GT, but he was 5’10 with cleats on, and NFL don’t play that. He was a great player but didn’t make the NFL, and wouldn’t have if he started for Bama either.

 

[bke1984]

Gibbs is excellent. Calvin is a Hall of Fame player. There is a difference. No telling how it would have gone for Gibbs had he stayed at GT. Maybe as good and maybe not.

Glad he was here 2 years.

But how did Calvin make the NFL by not playing against the best every day? That simply does not make sense. I guess he could have been EVEN BETTER had he gone to georgia, right?

 

[wrmathis]

But how did Calvin make the NFL by not playing against the best every day? That simply does not make sense. I guess he could have been EVEN BETTER had he gone to georgia, right?

To be fair, his stats probably would have been better with anyone at qb not named Reggie ball. Now, Reggie did give Calvin an opportunity to show case his skills and freak athleticism.

 

[bke1984]

To be fair, his stats probably would have been better with anyone at qb not named Reggie ball. Now, Reggie did give Calvin an opportunity to show case his skills and freak athleticism.

But that’s not the argument being made. So Calvin goes 1 instead of 2 if he played somewhere else? I doubt it.

People act like these football coaches at every school don’t understand the fundamentals of how to play a position. Are some better at developing talent than others - sure - but aside from goofballs (looking at you Waffle House), most position coaches are good enough to teach an NFL caliber player what he needs to do to be ready for the league. And if they aren’t all it takes is a workout in front of the scouts (who literally visit every school) to catch their eye and get recognized.

Point being - if you’re capable of playing in the NFL and have the desire to do so then you can play in the NFL.

 

[gtee91]

No inside info, but would be interesting if this was a scouting job by coaches to get a feel for what top programs are offering star receivers. Singleton and I believe his Dad have commented on how they love GT and want to stay in past year. Maybe farfetched, but could be a big brain move by Key?

I'm gonna gave to say no...

 

[UgaBlows]

It’s not about purely making it to the NFL. It’s about how much you’re making in your first contract (i.e. where you get drafted). I hate it for us, but I doubt Gibbs goes #12 overall if he played for the 2022 GT team and then declared.

I don’t buy that- Gibbs‘ stats weren’t much better at Bama then at Tech, NFL scouts were fully aware of him at both places

 

[Richland County]

Never wanted this, and never felt the schools were making money off of the backs athletes. The schools are making money off of their relationships and associations with each other i.e. Michigan vs Ohio State, Texas vs Texas A&M, Georgia vs Georgia Tech, etc. Take the same players in college football, remove them from any and all association with the schools and universities and form them into NFL farm or a semi pro league and very few people would care to watch, much less pay to attend the games and all that money would dry up real fast. Fans care because of the players represent our schools and universities and by some extensions our state, region and/or religion in competition against another.

That used to be the case. The whole system is now a money grab.