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takethepoints

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Anoia florida
Richards Louisiana
Walker south carolina
Yep, they were from out-of-state. And, except for Richards, they were a monster bet. Walker was completely under the scope until right before he signed. Anoia was a decent middle-of-the-pack player. And this leaves aside M. Richards who everyone else was recruiting as a TE and Addam Oliver, who played six man football in high school. And, for instance, nobody wanted Marco Coleman except Ross and nobody but Tech had Coleman Rudolph in mind for a DT.

Sooooo … what I'm saying is that when Tech has hit big at the DL positions it has usually included a huge amount of sheer bum luck. There have been exceptions, of course, but what it boils down to is better recruiting intelligence and being lucky. The Suhs of the world aren't coming here, in general.

But it is possible to build good Ds with players others don't want. Bud Foster has been doing it for years. We can too, if we are patient.
 

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And this leaves aside M. Richards who everyone else was recruiting as a TE

You mean Michael Johnson. MJ was a 4 star TE that we turned into a DE.

Darryl Richards was a 4 Star DT that picked GT over LSU. Everyone wanted him at DT, and he's been one of our biggest DT coups since I've followed GT recruiting.
 

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Yep, they were from out-of-state. And, except for Richards, they were a monster bet. Walker was completely under the scope until right before he signed. Anoia was a decent middle-of-the-pack player. And this leaves aside M. Richards who everyone else was recruiting as a TE and Addam Oliver, who played six man football in high school. And, for instance, nobody wanted Marco Coleman except Ross and nobody but Tech had Coleman Rudolph in mind for a DT.

Sooooo … what I'm saying is that when Tech has hit big at the DL positions it has usually included a huge amount of sheer bum luck. There have been exceptions, of course, but what it boils down to is better recruiting intelligence and being lucky. The Suhs of the world aren't coming here, in general.

But it is possible to build good Ds with players others don't want. Bud Foster has been doing it for years. We can too, if we are patient.
coleman played 8 man fb
 

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Yep, they were from out-of-state. And, except for Richards, they were a monster bet. Walker was completely under the scope until right before he signed. Anoia was a decent middle-of-the-pack player. And this leaves aside M. Richards who everyone else was recruiting as a TE and Addam Oliver, who played six man football in high school. And, for instance, nobody wanted Marco Coleman except Ross and nobody but Tech had Coleman Rudolph in mind for a DT.

Sooooo … what I'm saying is that when Tech has hit big at the DL positions it has usually included a huge amount of sheer bum luck. There have been exceptions, of course, but what it boils down to is better recruiting intelligence and being lucky. The Suhs of the world aren't coming here, in general.

But it is possible to build good Ds with players others don't want. Bud Foster has been doing it for years. We can too, if we are patient.

adamm played 11 man but was at FB alot. He was from florida
M Johnson was from alabama

Bottom line....all out of state....i hope our net is cast large enough for these growth players too.
 

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No matter how bad we have played and at times we have played bad,I think we can handle VT at home.......they have no offense at all so I look for a rebound game...........HWGA
 

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Michigan has a nation wide effort to find preferred walk ons at small schools with poor records - hoping to find an overlooked gem.
Last year my coaching sons team won district and this year not good. He got letter from Michigan and may send them info in his option qb. He s a talented kid but no real highlite reel but son has contactd w ex ou coaches who can give walk on.
 

LongforDodd

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You mean Michael Johnson. MJ was a 4 star TE that we turned into a DE.

Darryl Richards was a 4 Star DT that picked GT over LSU. Everyone wanted him at DT, and he's been one of our biggest DT coups since I've followed GT recruiting.
And Michaels Richards was a 3 star comedian but never committed to us.
 

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And Michaels Richards was a 3 star comedian but never committed to us.
Until that rant and then ....

We recruited Louisiana well back in the day - Greg Gathers, for one, Jason Peters (IIRC) and Darryl Richard. PJ said a couple of weeks ago we haven't recruited the metro DC area lately, even though we got Louis Young and Jeremiah Attachou from there, not to mention Rook-Chungong. We also had a couple of guys from there who didn't stick around - Robbins and Commissiong. I think much of that metro DC groundwork was actually Groh's doing.

The one area I'd love to see us get back into is Tampa. We had a good Tampa-Jesuit pipeline going for a while.
 

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Recruiting outside of Georgia sounds awesome......convincing a big nasty DT to come here from outside the state has been more difficult than any of us like. Derrick Morgans and Eric Hendersons haven't been flooding to us. Both were actually DEs also......

Too true. Recruiting out of state, particularly beyond our border states, is very difficult.

Most everything comes back to money: we don't have the money to hire the recruiting staff that the Clemsons, FSUs, and yes, the Stanford's have. And throw all the academic roadblocks on top and you have ... well ... as coach is fond of saying ... you have what you have.

In my job I deal with all kinds of neat technology. One interesting tech is a company called Catapult. They use GPS trackers to track player performance during practices and games. FSU's entire football team is equipped with it. The FSU women's soccer team is equipped with it. Several European soccer teams use it. The North Carolina women's field hockey team uses GPS trackers to look at performance in-game. We are a technology school, so we should use it, right? Wrong. PJ said that Catapult approached them and we could only afford to put it on four guys. Let that sink in: North Carolina can afford to outfit their women's field hockey team with GPS trackers and we could only afford to outfit four guys. So the next time we moan and complain about how our coaches suck at recruiting, how we don't chase after 5* guys, how we don't do this or don't do that ... remember that our budget isn't nearly what others have available.
 

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Too true. Recruiting out of state, particularly beyond our border states, is very difficult.

Most everything comes back to money: we don't have the money to hire the recruiting staff that the Clemsons, FSUs, and yes, the Stanford's have. And throw all the academic roadblocks on top and you have ... well ... as coach is fond of saying ... you have what you have.

In my job I deal with all kinds of neat technology. One interesting tech is a company called Catapult. They use GPS trackers to track player performance during practices and games. FSU's entire football team is equipped with it. The FSU women's soccer team is equipped with it. Several European soccer teams use it. The North Carolina women's field hockey team uses GPS trackers to look at performance in-game. We are a technology school, so we should use it, right? Wrong. PJ said that Catapult approached them and we could only afford to put it on four guys. Let that sink in: North Carolina can afford to outfit their women's field hockey team with GPS trackers and we could only afford to outfit four guys. So the next time we moan and complain about how our coaches suck at recruiting, how we don't chase after 5* guys, how we don't do this or don't do that ... remember that our budget isn't nearly what others have available.

How hard would it be to make this a senior design project? We shouldn't be complaining that we can't afford them, we should make our own.
 

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Every time someone brings up Stanford, Duke, Vandy, or Northwestern as examples of how "smart schools" do it, I feel obligated to point out that just because a kid is smart, doesnt mean he likes math. BIG difference. Lack of majors hurts worse than academic standard.

In regards to the DT situation, there are so many hours in the day. You can't spend all your time recruiting kids who either don't want to be here or have no shot of getting in. Henderson and Glanton are both gonna be big time players, I think. Sellers may end up putting on enough weight to be a DT. GT is never going to have busloads of knuckle dragging defensive linemen on campus, so I think what the staff has to do is identify potential DL with interest earlier. Get to them in 8th or 9th grade. Help them on their path academically. I also think we should seek a formal relationship with Georgia Military College, a juco in the Atlanta area that offers lots of transferable credits for GT athletes. That might help us find some kids who didnt do quite well enough to get in, but want to be here.
 

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Every time someone brings up Stanford, Duke, Vandy, or Northwestern as examples of how "smart schools" do it, I feel obligated to point out that just because a kid is smart, doesnt mean he likes math. BIG difference. Lack of majors hurts worse than academic standard.

In regards to the DT situation, there are so many hours in the day. You can't spend all your time recruiting kids who either don't want to be here or have no shot of getting in. Henderson and Glanton are both gonna be big time players, I think. Sellers may end up putting on enough weight to be a DT. GT is never going to have busloads of knuckle dragging defensive linemen on campus, so I think what the staff has to do is identify potential DL with interest earlier. Get to them in 8th or 9th grade. Help them on their path academically. I also think we should seek a formal relationship with Georgia Military College, a juco in the Atlanta area that offers lots of transferable credits for GT athletes. That might help us find some kids who didnt do quite well enough to get in, but want to be here.
Saw on one of the 16 recruits that he likes the dual course of study that leads to a sports management specialty. It sounded like we have ways around the forbidden label " sports management" to get the sports management for the smart and determined sports management student athlete.
That said I really like your idea of forming a relationship with a JUCO in state to maximize transferable hiurs
however I wonder if the Board of Regents would allow such a thing.
Plenty of time in off season for this recruiting ideas

Anyway back to football and go jackets
 

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Every time someone brings up Stanford, Duke, Vandy, or Northwestern as examples of how "smart schools" do it, I feel obligated to point out that just because a kid is smart, doesnt mean he likes math. BIG difference. Lack of majors hurts worse than academic standard.

In regards to the DT situation, there are so many hours in the day. You can't spend all your time recruiting kids who either don't want to be here or have no shot of getting in. Henderson and Glanton are both gonna be big time players, I think. Sellers may end up putting on enough weight to be a DT. GT is never going to have busloads of knuckle dragging defensive linemen on campus, so I think what the staff has to do is identify potential DL with interest earlier. Get to them in 8th or 9th grade. Help them on their path academically. I also think we should seek a formal relationship with Georgia Military College, a juco in the Atlanta area that offers lots of transferable credits for GT athletes. That might help us find some kids who didnt do quite well enough to get in, but want to be here.

I did a review on this specific issue about 2 years ago, every one of the schools you mentioned have at DOUBLE the number of major available to their SAs than Tech has. IIRC Stanford, Duke and Vandy all have in excess of 90 major programs. IIRC Tech has approximately 32 major programs. Guess how many would be considered non STEM? As you point out there are a lot of SAs out there that have the smarts but if they aren't looking for a STEM program there are a lot of places with excellent academics for them to look at.
 

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Case in point: I remember reading about a local guy we were recruiting, Jordan Watkins who was a 4-star DE. To boot, he was a fan of GT football when he was growing up and he eventually went to Stanford and one of the reasons was because he wanted to study journalism. It is what it is.
 
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