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<blockquote data-quote="GTpdm" data-source="post: 269611" data-attributes="member: 1451"><p>Fair enough; I apparently mis-read your intent. But still, even going back to the bad old days, the "look to the left, look to the right..." proclamations should not be taken as evidence that faculty as a whole were actively <u>trying</u> to weed out students. Tech profs are rooted in science and engineering. If historical statistics said 1 in 3 would last in engineering, then it is no surprise that they pointed that out to their students. I can assure you, though, that any prof (*) who actually brought up that data did so because he <u>wanted</u> to be proven wrong. The right sort of student would take it as a challenge (as several have noted, above), and would have been better for it. The 1 in 3 remark was never the "gloating" that some disgruntled graduates make it out to be. (Sorry if I assumed you were one of that crowd, Cam.)</p><p></p><p>(*) Okay...maybe not <u>any</u> prof...not all Tech faculty are as fully deserving of student adulation as I am (<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />). I work with some colleagues that I would not wish on any of the students in my classes. But that is not a "Tech vs. students" thing; it is a consequence of the tenure process at all colleges--there can be bad profs everywhere, and Tech is just as susceptible to that as any other school. (I'm not tenure-track, fwiw.) And it's also worth pointing out that one of the reasons why the "new Tech" is different from the old is that over the past decade or so, there has been a pretty big influx of junior faculty who are much better at working with students.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GTpdm, post: 269611, member: 1451"] Fair enough; I apparently mis-read your intent. But still, even going back to the bad old days, the "look to the left, look to the right..." proclamations should not be taken as evidence that faculty as a whole were actively [U]trying[/U] to weed out students. Tech profs are rooted in science and engineering. If historical statistics said 1 in 3 would last in engineering, then it is no surprise that they pointed that out to their students. I can assure you, though, that any prof (*) who actually brought up that data did so because he [U]wanted[/U] to be proven wrong. The right sort of student would take it as a challenge (as several have noted, above), and would have been better for it. The 1 in 3 remark was never the "gloating" that some disgruntled graduates make it out to be. (Sorry if I assumed you were one of that crowd, Cam.) (*) Okay...maybe not [U]any[/U] prof...not all Tech faculty are as fully deserving of student adulation as I am (;)). I work with some colleagues that I would not wish on any of the students in my classes. But that is not a "Tech vs. students" thing; it is a consequence of the tenure process at all colleges--there can be bad profs everywhere, and Tech is just as susceptible to that as any other school. (I'm not tenure-track, fwiw.) And it's also worth pointing out that one of the reasons why the "new Tech" is different from the old is that over the past decade or so, there has been a pretty big influx of junior faculty who are much better at working with students. [/QUOTE]
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