Roster Building & NIL Market

[reckrider]

Not trying to throw daggers. Just offering a word of caution. We’ve seen this movie before. Tech coaches have never thrived when the talent level is significantly below the competitive teams.

I’m hopeful Cross is not done. I’m hopeful he’ll get a difference maker offensively. And, if he doesn’t get a few top players, I will hope he can do what other Tech coaches have not done -the miracle of doing more with less.

C’mon? Really? Why lump CSC into a pattern that has no basis? Different Coach, different situation based on NIL, staff, everything. Don’t worry about the past, do you know why, because it’s the past. Don’t worry about, be happy.

 

[reckrider]

C’mon? Really? Why lump CSC into a pattern that has no basis? Different Coach, different situation based on NIL, staff, everything. Don’t worry about the past, do you know why, because it’s the past. Don’t worry, be happy.

 

[Jack]

Not trying to throw daggers. Just offering a word of caution. We’ve seen this movie before. Tech coaches have never thrived when the talent level is significantly below the competitive teams.

I’m hopeful Cross is not done. I’m hopeful he’ll get a difference maker offensively. And, if he doesn’t get a few top players, I will hope he can do what other Tech coaches have not done -the miracle of doing more with less.

I’m ready for Tech to get a “Big”.
A space eater getting muscle type rebounds and an extra intimidating
presence down low. I can’t remember the last one we had. Maybe it was the big kid that came over from Georgia.

 

[Root4GT]

C’mon? Really? Why lump CSC into a pattern that has no basis? Different Coach, different situation based on NIL, staff, everything. Don’t worry about the past, do you know why, because it’s the past. Don’t worry about, be happy.

20 years of mostly bad basketball under 4 coaches dull the optimism. We have seen the shiny new objects fail time and again.

Hope this is different. Without really good players the odds are not good regardless of the coach.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Brian Gregory recruited Josh Okogie and he's had a lengthy career in the NBA.

How do you understand that time. Again, my memory is fuzzy. Josh was in the 2016 class and Pastner was the coach then. Did Gregory start the recruitment and then Pastner sealed the deal?

 

[Northeast Stinger]

C’mon? Really? Why lump CSC into a pattern that has no basis? Different Coach, different situation based on NIL, staff, everything. Don’t worry about the past, do you know why, because it’s the past. Don’t worry about, be happy.

Not worried at all.

 

[Tommy_Taylor_1972]

How do you understand that time. Again, my memory is fuzzy. Josh was in the 2016 class and Pastner was the coach then. Did Gregory start the recruitment and then Pastner sealed the deal?

Gregory signed Okogie before he was fired. Pastner inherited him as a new freshman.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Gregory signed Okogie before he was fired. Pastner inherited him as a new freshman.

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So Pastner gets the credit for hanging onto him? Or does Gregory get the credit for Pastner’s first season?

Either way, you see the problem. Gregory never had enough horses while he was a coach to make any kind of progress. Each successive coach has faced the same problem. This entire conversation was started by two things. My contention that Cross will need to do better recruiting wise than our previous coaches and then my misremembering which of the (very) few decent players of the past played when.

I guess, with all those who have responded to me the simple question would be, “Do you think Cross would do significantly better record wise than the previous three coaches given Tech’s talent level during that time?”

Right now, we all want to say yes, but there’s no proof that would have been the case. To me it will still come down to our talent level relative to the conference.

 

[Techwood Relict]

Gregory signed Okogie before he was fired. Pastner inherited him as a new freshman.

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I think TT secretly lives in the GT library. He has records for everything GT.....

 

[orientalnc]

I think TT secretly lives in the GT library. He has records for everything GT.....

Perhaps. I have a friend who had a cup of coffee in MLB. His mom had kept a scrapbook from his early days in little league and during his baseball career. When it ended he kept clipping stuff. I have not looked through it, but he has a whole shelf of those scrapbooks.

 

[Richland County]

So Pastner gets the credit for hanging onto him? Or does Gregory get the credit for Pastner’s first season?

Either way, you see the problem. Gregory never had enough horses while he was a coach to make any kind of progress. Each successive coach has faced the same problem. This entire conversation was started by two things. My contention that Cross will need to do better recruiting wise than our previous coaches and then my misremembering which of the (very) few decent players of the past played when.

I guess, with all those who have responded to me the simple question would be, “Do you think Cross would do significantly better record wise than the previous three coaches given Tech’s talent level during that time?”

Right now, we all want to say yes, but there’s no proof that would have been the case. To me it will still come down to our talent level relative to the conference.

Seems like ur unwilling to give the guy a chance to do what ur asking. The previous failures were under a different adm. This current administration seems more willing to invest in athletics. So yes its obvious that better talent is needed but dang give the guy a chance before throwing him and the AD out to pasture. I remember a football team that had 6 games in two seasons getting a new coach with talent deficiencies all over the roster turn ir around quickly. Quickly I meant the very first game he coached.

 

[Richard7125]

20 years of mostly bad basketball under 4 coaches dull the optimism. We have seen the shiny new objects fail time and again.

Hope this is different. Without really good players the odds are not good regardless of the coach.

…but we have a shiny new toy. Even if it rusts and breaks down the road, people can crap on it then. Enjoy it now while it is still shiny and new.

 

[Peacone36]

Perhaps. I have a friend who had a cup of coffee in MLB. His mom had kept a scrapbook from his early days in little league and during his baseball career. When it ended he kept clipping stuff. I have not looked through it, but he has a whole shelf of those scrapbooks.

Some friends of mine moved down to Savannah years ago when they started their family. When it came time for the boys to start playing baseball my buddy found out Ryan Klesko was the coach. They hit it off and are good friends now. My fanboy kicked in because I loved Klesko as a youngster. Dead pull hitter swinging right from his toes.

I wanna go hang sometime and hear all the stories.

 

[orientalnc]

Some friends of mine moved down to Savannah years ago when they started their family. When it came time for the boys to start playing baseball my buddy found out Ryan Klesko was the coach. They hit it off and are good friends now. My fanboy kicked in because I loved Klesko as a youngster. Dead pull hitter swinging right from his toes.

I wanna go hang sometime and hear all the stories.

I liked Klesko. IIRC he was an avid bow hunter. I bet there are some intersting stories.

 

[orientalnc]

So far none of these guys look like huge NIL targets. I wonder where the $$ will go???

 

[techgrad]

So far none of these guys look like huge NIL targets. I wonder where the $$ will go???

We've never had a team composed mostly of mid-major experience. We will have to rely on CSC's system. Hopefully we have enough money left to get a big difference maker or 2, preferably a very good PG.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Seems like ur unwilling to give the guy a chance to do what ur asking. The previous failures were under a different adm. This current administration seems more willing to invest in athletics. So yes its obvious that better talent is needed but dang give the guy a chance before throwing him and the AD out to pasture. I remember a football team that had 6 games in two seasons getting a new coach with talent deficiencies all over the roster turn ir around quickly. Quickly I meant the very first game he coached.

I like the current president. I like the current athletic director. I like the direction our sports teams are going. Do not want any of that to change.

But, here’s the deal. If in two years people are grumbling about the basketball coach, and if half way into year three people are starting threads about firing coach Cross, I want you and others to remember that money is more important right now than who the coach is.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

…but we have a shiny new toy. Even if it rusts and breaks down the road, people can crap on it then. Enjoy it now while it is still shiny and new.

Nobody’s crapping on the new coach.

To paraphrase the inimitable Peacone, we have yet to see a major change in the financial commitment to basketball. In my inelegant way I have been pleading for people to pay less attention to who the coach is, for just once, and start focusing on the money. If things go south in the next 2-3 years it will have little to do with who the coach is.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

We've never had a team composed mostly of mid-major experience. We will have to rely on CSC's system. Hopefully we have enough money left to get a big difference maker or 2, preferably a very good PG.

And that will be the time to really get excited about this team.

 

[AUFC]

So far none of these guys look like huge NIL targets. I wonder where the $$ will go???

Whitlock definitely got a bag. Probably low 7 figures. We should have some money leftover though.