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<blockquote data-quote="RamblinRed" data-source="post: 136918" data-attributes="member: 1776"><p>This is a topic that has come up in a couple of threads so I decided to try to make a separate thread for easier discussion.</p><p>The use of non HS players has expanded rapidly in college basketball, last season over 700 players transferred from Div 1 schools - that is an avg of 2 per school). You also have JUCO players (which are not recruited as heavily as they were 15 years ago as the talent pool simply isn't as deep).</p><p>While I would argue you shouldn't base your recruiting on transfers/grad students/JUCOS - unless you are in a talent poor area like Iowa St is for example. They can be very helpful in plugging holes. For me, in particualar you are looking for either grad students that supply a specific skill that you think you need on the next years team (shooter, rebounder, defender, etc) or you are looking for transfers that have at least 2 years of eligibility remaining. That means at any time 2-3 of your schollies may be used on these players.</p><p></p><p>Currently in the ACC 13 out of the 15 schools have transfers/grads/JUCOs on their roster - only UNC and ND are without one this year. Here is the list. (GS - grad, TR - transfer, JC - JUCO). if the player is sitting out this year due to transfer or other rules, the year listed is what year they will be next season.</p><p></p><p>BC - Dimitri Batten (GS - Old Dominion) - starter, Aaron Brown (GS - Ole Miss) - starter, Alex Dragecevich (TR-ND-SR backup)</p><p></p><p>Clemson - Avry Holmes (TR - San Francisco-JR) - sitting out expected to be starter (top guard) next season, Demarcus Harrison (TR-BYU-SR - part time starter)</p><p></p><p>Duke - Sean Obi (TR-Rice-SO) - sitting out, likely starter</p><p></p><p>FSU - Dayshawn Watkins (JC-Holmes CC - JR) - reserve, Kiel Turpin (JC-Lincoln-SR) - role player, Mike Saxton (JC-Tallahassee CC-JR) - reserve</p><p></p><p>GT - Demarco Cox (GS-Ole Miss-SR) - starter, Charles Mitchell (TR-MD-JR) - part time starter, Nick Jacobs (TR-AL-SR) - sitting out, starter next season</p><p></p><p>Louisville - Chris Jones (JC-NW FL State CC-SR) starter, just kicked of team</p><p></p><p>Miami - Angel Rodriguez (TR-K ST-JR) - starter, Sheldon McClellan (TR-TX-JR) - starter, Ivan Cruz Uceda (JC-Harcum College - JR) - backup, Kimani Murphy (TR-Ok ST-JR) - likely starter</p><p></p><p>NCSU - Trevor Lacey (TR-AL-JR) - starter, Ralston Turner (TR-LSU-SR) - starter, Des Lee (JC-NM JC-SR) - backup, Terry Henderson (TR-WVU-SO) - sitting out, likely starter</p><p></p><p>Pitt - Tyrone Haughton (JC-Iowa Western CC-JR) reserve, Sheldon Jeter (TR-Vandy-SO) part time starter,</p><p>Derrick Randall (TR-Rutgers-SR) - backup, Joepsh Uchebo (TR-Chipola CC-JR) - backup</p><p></p><p>Syracuse - Mike Gbinije (TR-Duke-JR) - starter, Carter Sanderson (GS-Lipscomb) - reserve</p><p></p><p>UVA - Anton Gill (TR-SC-JR) - starter, Darius Thompson (TR-TN-SO)-backup/starter</p><p></p><p>VT - Adam Smith (TR-UNCW-JR)-starter, Shane Henry (JC-GA Perimeter-JR) -part time starter,</p><p>Seth Allen (TR-MD-JR)-sitting out likely starter, Zack LeDay(TR-SouthFL-JR) - sitting out, likely backup/starter</p><p></p><p>Wake - Darious Leonard (GS-Campbell)-part time starter, Gil McGregory(TR-Newberry-SO)-reserve</p><p></p><p>So you can see that's 34 players on rosters right now from 13 schools. </p><p>16 of them starter or part time starters.</p><p>17 of them likely starter or part time starters next season (that number is likely to rise a little when new GS are signed in the offseason).</p><p></p><p>So in general you should expect that you will have 1-2 TR/GS/JC (mostly the first 2) as part of your likely 8-9 man rotation. Obviously not the basis for you program, but not irrelevant either. The very best teams don't need as many frankly because their recruiting tends to be strong enough that they don't need them or just take very specific ones to fill a need. The middle of the pack teams tend to rely on them a little more. NCST and Miami both have multiple starters who are transfers (and leading scorers) and will again next season and Pitt and Syracuse have 1 each playing a big role.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RamblinRed, post: 136918, member: 1776"] This is a topic that has come up in a couple of threads so I decided to try to make a separate thread for easier discussion. The use of non HS players has expanded rapidly in college basketball, last season over 700 players transferred from Div 1 schools - that is an avg of 2 per school). You also have JUCO players (which are not recruited as heavily as they were 15 years ago as the talent pool simply isn't as deep). While I would argue you shouldn't base your recruiting on transfers/grad students/JUCOS - unless you are in a talent poor area like Iowa St is for example. They can be very helpful in plugging holes. For me, in particualar you are looking for either grad students that supply a specific skill that you think you need on the next years team (shooter, rebounder, defender, etc) or you are looking for transfers that have at least 2 years of eligibility remaining. That means at any time 2-3 of your schollies may be used on these players. Currently in the ACC 13 out of the 15 schools have transfers/grads/JUCOs on their roster - only UNC and ND are without one this year. Here is the list. (GS - grad, TR - transfer, JC - JUCO). if the player is sitting out this year due to transfer or other rules, the year listed is what year they will be next season. BC - Dimitri Batten (GS - Old Dominion) - starter, Aaron Brown (GS - Ole Miss) - starter, Alex Dragecevich (TR-ND-SR backup) Clemson - Avry Holmes (TR - San Francisco-JR) - sitting out expected to be starter (top guard) next season, Demarcus Harrison (TR-BYU-SR - part time starter) Duke - Sean Obi (TR-Rice-SO) - sitting out, likely starter FSU - Dayshawn Watkins (JC-Holmes CC - JR) - reserve, Kiel Turpin (JC-Lincoln-SR) - role player, Mike Saxton (JC-Tallahassee CC-JR) - reserve GT - Demarco Cox (GS-Ole Miss-SR) - starter, Charles Mitchell (TR-MD-JR) - part time starter, Nick Jacobs (TR-AL-SR) - sitting out, starter next season Louisville - Chris Jones (JC-NW FL State CC-SR) starter, just kicked of team Miami - Angel Rodriguez (TR-K ST-JR) - starter, Sheldon McClellan (TR-TX-JR) - starter, Ivan Cruz Uceda (JC-Harcum College - JR) - backup, Kimani Murphy (TR-Ok ST-JR) - likely starter NCSU - Trevor Lacey (TR-AL-JR) - starter, Ralston Turner (TR-LSU-SR) - starter, Des Lee (JC-NM JC-SR) - backup, Terry Henderson (TR-WVU-SO) - sitting out, likely starter Pitt - Tyrone Haughton (JC-Iowa Western CC-JR) reserve, Sheldon Jeter (TR-Vandy-SO) part time starter, Derrick Randall (TR-Rutgers-SR) - backup, Joepsh Uchebo (TR-Chipola CC-JR) - backup Syracuse - Mike Gbinije (TR-Duke-JR) - starter, Carter Sanderson (GS-Lipscomb) - reserve UVA - Anton Gill (TR-SC-JR) - starter, Darius Thompson (TR-TN-SO)-backup/starter VT - Adam Smith (TR-UNCW-JR)-starter, Shane Henry (JC-GA Perimeter-JR) -part time starter, Seth Allen (TR-MD-JR)-sitting out likely starter, Zack LeDay(TR-SouthFL-JR) - sitting out, likely backup/starter Wake - Darious Leonard (GS-Campbell)-part time starter, Gil McGregory(TR-Newberry-SO)-reserve So you can see that's 34 players on rosters right now from 13 schools. 16 of them starter or part time starters. 17 of them likely starter or part time starters next season (that number is likely to rise a little when new GS are signed in the offseason). So in general you should expect that you will have 1-2 TR/GS/JC (mostly the first 2) as part of your likely 8-9 man rotation. Obviously not the basis for you program, but not irrelevant either. The very best teams don't need as many frankly because their recruiting tends to be strong enough that they don't need them or just take very specific ones to fill a need. The middle of the pack teams tend to rely on them a little more. NCST and Miami both have multiple starters who are transfers (and leading scorers) and will again next season and Pitt and Syracuse have 1 each playing a big role. [/QUOTE]
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