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Since the rules change Tucker has ten fewer XP misses in 33 more attempts than Butker.Your post didn't make that clear. I was replying to this:
Since the rules change Tucker has ten fewer XP misses in 33 more attempts than Butker.Your post didn't make that clear. I was replying to this:
To be fair, I said Butker may become the greatest playoff kicker in playoff history even if he is not best kicker in NFL history.Tucker didn't kick two 50 yard FG's to help facilitate wins against our 'hated' rival in their home stadium. He may be the best NFL kicker to ever play. OTOH my guy is GT grad Harrison Butker. He made the two kicks more important to our team in games that I care about.
He may and I hope he does.To be fair, I said Butker may become the greatest playoff kicker in playoff history even if he is not best kicker in NFL history.
To be clear, Butker is 1.1% behind Turner in career FG%. Butker's longest is 60 yds and he has a higher FG% from 50+. Butker also has a much higher FG% in the playoffs (88.9% to 81.8%) and a higher Touchback % (70.8% to 64%). Turner has been doing it for 12 years, so he definitely has the edge, but Butker isn't that far behind him.Tucker not only has one the strongest legs in the history of the NFL by evidence of having the longest FG ever, but he is the most accurate kicker in the history of the NFL by evidence of his FG%. That combination makes him truly unique and well above every other kicker. Butker is second, but he has some work to ever get close to that level of accuracy. Also, he is well behind Tucker in XP%.
This is similar to the MaHomes vs Brady comparisons. Give Butker 6+ more years and than a true comparison can be made. He has a very good chance to be the Playoff all time scoring leader as KC will be a perennial playoff team as long as MaHomes and Reid are there. Butker is well paid, $4+M/year thru 2025. What happens on a future contract will be huge for him. Tucker is the highest paid PK at $6M/year.To be clear, Butker is 1.1% behind Turner in career FG%. Butker's longest is 60 yds and he has a higher FG% from 50+. Butker also has a much higher FG% in the playoffs (88.9% to 81.8%) and a higher Touchback % (70.8% to 64%). Turner has been doing it for 12 years, so he definitely has the edge, but Butker isn't that far behind him.
In fact, this year you could say that Butker got robbed by not being selected to the Pro-Bowl. He was better than Tucker in every category:
FG % (94.3% vs. 86.5%)
XP % (100% vs 98.1%)
TB % (87.1% vs. 79.2%)
Longest (60 vs. 50)
Career TB% is skewed in Butker's favor since they moved the kickoff spot out five yards in recent years.To be clear, Butker is 1.1% behind Turner in career FG%. Butker's longest is 60 yds and he has a higher FG% from 50+. Butker also has a much higher FG% in the playoffs (88.9% to 81.8%) and a higher Touchback % (70.8% to 64%). Turner has been doing it for 12 years, so he definitely has the edge, but Butker isn't that far behind him.
In fact, this year you could say that Butker got robbed by not being selected to the Pro-Bowl. He was better than Tucker in every category:
FG % (94.3% vs. 86.5%)
XP % (100% vs 98.1%)
TB % (87.1% vs. 79.2%)
Longest (60 vs. 50)
Bummer. Was really pulling for him in the NFL. Had a lot of off-field family stuff that I imagine got in his head and made him less-consistent than he was with us. Hopefully he can get his game back and still do some interesting stuff.https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ase-three-players-including-qb-mitch-trubisky
Unfortunately Pressley Harvin III was released.
Career TB% is skewed in Butker's favor since they moved the kickoff spot out five yards in recent years.
You are correct, but touchbacks were also moved up 5 yards to the 25 yard line in 2015. That increased teams taking a touchback. Further, last year they let all fair catch kickoffs to be taken at the 25, which will further increase TB%. Prior to that, some teams tried more pop up kickoffs to pin teams inside their 25. So, TB% may not a fair comparison if one team tried more pop uos vs. kicking out the back of the end zone.Kickoffs were moved forward in 2011. Tucker was a rookie in 2012.
If you just compare the years they have both played, Butker is 70.8% and Tucker is 64%You are correct, but touchbacks were also moved up 5 yards to the 25 yard line in 2015. That increased teams taking a touchback. Further, last year they let all fair catch kickoffs to be taken at the 25, which will further increase TB%. Prior to that, some teams tried more pop up kickoffs to pin teams inside their 25. So, TB% may not a fair comparison if one team tried more pop uos vs. kicking out the back of the end zone.
How many times did both Butker and Tucker attempt a pop up kickoff vs kicking out of the back of the end zones during those years?If you just compare the years they have both played, Butker is 70.8% and Tucker is 64%
Now you're just arguing to argue.How many times did both Butker and Tucker attempt a pop up kickoff vs kicking out of the back of the end zones during those years?
That doesn't mean he's done. Just not with Pittsburgh anymore. Kickers/Punters are waived all the time and picked up by someone else. Hope he still has more football life in him.Bummer. Was really pulling for him in the NFL. Had a lot of off-field family stuff that I imagine got in his head and made him less-consistent than he was with us. Hopefully he can get his game back and still do some interesting stuff.
What are you doing?Now you're just arguing to argue.
Top of the PK scale is only $2M more than he makes. PKs will only get so much in a salary capped system. He might become the highest paid if he has 2 more years like the last couple. He also might take less to stay with KC , the home team discount.Also, Butker is going to get paid soon. He's got one more year on his contract, I expect he's going to get a decent raise.
But how did Turner do?In the years that Tucker and Butker have both been in the NFL, 2017-2023, Tucker has never had a better TB% than Butker.