Pass more?

[smokey_wasp]

Ideally, I would like to see us pass 12-15 times per game. If we could complete >50 % of those, our offense would be tough to shut down. That is not who we are with TQM, so we have got to roll with what we are good at for now.

That said, there is something beautiful about beating teams without completing passes. It frustrates opposing fanbases in hilarious ways.

 

[MountainBuzzMan]

I don’t know if passing more is essential but being more effective as some have said is. Or being able to pass when the ground game is stalled. I feel like I’m the earlier years we were good for a big TD pass every other game. I think the one vs UNC is the only one we’ve had this year.

I think we have the receiving talent this year, but we don't have the QB talent. Here is to hoping Graham or TO can run the running part of the offense effectively next year AND add some passing skill back into the mix.

 

[bobongo]

man, I know we're all STEM majors but good lord, did you all fail reading comprehension classes? Please point out where I EVER EVER EVER said throwing is "key to success". All I've ever said is that we need more balance and less predictability. All game long...and this game looked alot like games vs PITT, Duke, and Clemson...All game long the opposition shut down both the middle and the outside. All game long, the QB Keeper was stuffed on 1st down, leaving us in dire shape with 2nd and longs or 3rd and longs (after a 2nd QB keeper was stuffed). All - ALL - I'm saying is that a completed pass here and there would've opened up the running game for us.
That's It.
I'm not saying we need to throw it 30 times.
I don't think it's a "key to any success".
I do think - and my observations indeed have a statistical "Basis In Reality" - that we are too one-dimensional and predictable.

Prior to yesterday's victory - a victory I attended and cheered my *** off for and was happy as hell to watch in person and share with my kids - UVA was ranked #48.

So that means that this QB Keeper offense's best victory was against the nation's #48th-ranked team.

Every other team we played that was better beat us. THAT is the 'basis in reality' of my opinion and frankly, anyone watching us that thinks this QB Keeper offense is going to put us into the ACC-CG is fooling themselves.

Look, it's nice to crush the cupcakes on our schedule. Blowing out Loserville and the Chokies was hilarity. Watching Miami cough it up 3X and hanging on to beat those jerks was excellent. But it ain't gonna do more than it's done in 2018: 7 wins and a lower-tier bowl. The same thing that got the previous coach fired.

I give credit to CPJ for turning around a dismal-start to the season and salvaging a winning season and a bowl appearance. Hopefully we can return to an offense more like 2014/2009 next year that involves completed passes to WRs. Doing that - and having Coach Woody instill some open-field tackling techniques for our secondary - might get us back into the ACC-CG. Running another year of 40+ QB keepers and 1 completed pass/game gets us another 2018.

I think the difference here is that plenty of fans are thrilled with 2018 and don't really want much more than 7 wins. Oh well - some of us have higher aspirations, I guess.

re: UGA - I'm hoping for a miracle but will be content if we body-slam a few of their players just out of spite and soften 'em up for 'Bama. CPJ's teams never quit so who knows.

You're right, of course. We do need more balance to have any chance of beating the Clemsons and Georgias out there. We've won the last four games while completing an average of 1.5 passes per game, but that won't fly next week. That having been said, I think in those four games we stayed within ourselves and did what we had to do to win. Next week the Jackets are going to have to go a little lighter on the QB keepers and a little heavier on the passing game to have a chance. And we're going to have to reach a little deeper into our bag of tricks, too. Yes, more balance and less predictability is what we need next week.

 

[smokey_wasp]

You're right, of course. We do need more balance to have any chance of beating the Clemsons and Georgias out there. We've won the last four games while completing an average of 1.5 passes per game, but that won't fly next week. That having been said, I think in those four games we stayed within ourselves and did what we had to do to win. Next week the Jackets are going to have to go a little lighter on the QB keepers and a little heavier on the passing game to have a chance. And we're going to have to reach a little deeper into our bag of tricks, too. Yes, more balance and less predictability is what we need next week.

I don't think passing is going to be the blueprint for success next week. uga's dbs won't miss the gift wrapped interceptions like uva's did. We need to find a way to grind it out and limit their possessions.

 

[bobongo]

I don't think passing is going to be the blueprint for success next week. uga's dbs won't miss the gift wrapped interceptions like uva's did. We need to find a way to grind it out and limit their possessions.

Anything we try is going to be an uphill climb. But we've hit six passes in the last four games, combined. We'll have to do more than that next week, come hell or high water.

 

[MountainBuzzMan]

Anything we try is going to be an uphill climb. But we've hit six passes in the last four games, combined. We'll have to do more than that next week, come hell or high water.

With our current passing skill set, if we try a lot more passing, that nearly guarantees a blowout loss.

 

[bobongo]

With our current passing skill set, if we try a lot more passing, that nearly guarantees a blowout loss.

Like I said, come hell or high water. We are not going to complete 1.5 passes in Sanford Stadium and win.

 

[smokey_wasp]

Anything we try is going to be an uphill climb. But we've hit six passes in the last four games, combined. We'll have to do more than that next week, come hell or high water.

If we can catch them napping a time or two, that is our best bet. But only an incredible catch kept us from being 0 for 8 vs uva. Passing game will have to wait until next year, imo. We will see.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

No, we don’t. I seem to remember us beating a very good Uga team when we threw 2 passes. Believe it was 2008.

Yes, the QB needs to be able to execute on the few pass opportunities that are there, but us slinging it more is not some magic elixir.

Even if LJ or JG are better passers, it won’t matter much if we can’t pass protect, which is just not what our O-Line is set up to do very well.

44 years ago, but we soundly beat a decent mutt team in 1974 without ever completing a pass, and probably attempting no more than 2.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

Meanwhile, UVA is far-and-away the best team we beat this year and anyone who watched this game will admit we were VERY fortunate to get out of there with a victory and that it had nothing to do with our offense. Instead, our ST absolutely gets the game ball today. Time and again, that QB Keeper got stuffed. We completed one single pass and it led to a FG that practically won the game for us. Time and again, there were 8-9 guys in the box, daring us to pass. Time and again, predictable QB Keeper stuffed or pitched to a guy who ran into a wall outside.

Say what you want but this predictable QB Keeper offense cannot and will not allow us to beat the Dukes, PITTs, and UVAs. The only teams we beat this year were the crappy ones. Thinking that this type of QB Keeper offense can beat Duke, PITT, Clemson or the mutts is what has No Basis In Reality.

No one ever said 'high volume' of passing so you're making **** up there. But a high volume of QB Keepers is a recipe for a 6-7 win season and watching the ACCCG from home...at best.

Hopefully Graham gets a shotgun package to work with next year. If TO is the starter, it's another 2018: We'll beat every team we're better than (except a USF-type game) and lose to every team that's as-good or better than us. YAWN.

PS: Heck, one thing a few more passes might do would be to bring meat to the seats. Today's crowd was embarrassing - barely 30,000 people.

I don't know how good a passer Graham may be, but I can guarantee you one thing --- we will never run the shotgun.

 

[slugboy]

Ideally, I would like to see us pass 12-15 times per game. If we could complete >50 % of those, our offense would be tough to shut down. That is not who we are with TQM, so we have got to roll with what we are good at for now.

That said, there is something beautiful about beating teams without completing passes. It frustrates opposing fanbases in hilarious ways.

I’d like to see us complete 12-15 passes per game. If that means 25 attempts, OK. If we do that in 15 attempts, OK.

We used to run screen plays under CPJ. Our playbook seems smaller than 2009


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[bobongo]

If we can catch them napping a time or two, that is our best bet. But only an incredible catch kept us from being 0 for 8 vs uva. Passing game will have to wait until next year, imo. We will see.

We're just under 50% completion rate this year (45-92) with about 19.5 yards per completion (second in the nation). We can do this, and we're going to have to do it to win next week. Brad Stewart has great hands, and we have good receivers out of the backfield. Pass Blocking has been much better this year than last. We can do this. I'm not saying we should go in there slinging it all over the place; that most assuredly won't work. But we're going to have to open it up some to have any chance against Ugag.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

I think it better to enlighten and challenge the 92wreck rather than make personal attacks.
So, a simple question.
Are you saying :
We should pass more with our current personnel
We should play QBs that pass better
We should play better receivers who can’t block
We should fire the coach, recruit players that pass and have more excitement in our game

I sense your answer is the last one and I really don’t know how to convince you otherwise.

I would take that tack with someone truly new to our program or scheme. When dealing with those with obvious agendas...I struggle to suppress my snarkiness a bit. Especially when that person has displayed their own snarkiness. It’s a personal flaw I’m just not overly motivated to correct. I have other more pressing flaws to overcome.

 

[GTRX7]

You're right, of course. We do need more balance to have any chance of beating the Clemsons and Georgias out there. We've won the last four games while completing an average of 1.5 passes per game, but that won't fly next week. That having been said, I think in those four games we stayed within ourselves and did what we had to do to win. Next week the Jackets are going to have to go a little lighter on the QB keepers and a little heavier on the passing game to have a chance. And we're going to have to reach a little deeper into our bag of tricks, too. Yes, more balance and less predictability is what we need next week.

I have already posted this data, multiple times, but will post it again. We actually had 10 or less pass ATTEMPTS in 8 of our 12 wins over ranked opponents during CPJ’s tenure. I am sure most of those are less than 5 completions.

2008
#16 FSU - 6 pass attempts
#13 UGA - 6 pass attempts
2009
#4 Va Tech - 7 pass attempts
#25 Clemson (ACC title game) - 18 pass attempts
2011
#6 Clemson - 9 pass attempts
2014
#18 Clemson - 11 pass attempts
#8 UGA - 16 pass attempts
#8 Miss St. - 12 pass attempts
2015
#9 FSU - 10 pass attempts
2016
#18 Va Tech - 7 pass attempts
UGA - 10 pass attempts
2017
#17 Va Tech - 8 pass attempts

For me, passing efficiency is more critical than number of passes. We can and have won many games over big boys with just a select few, well timed pass plays. That is actually when we are at our best. It is false that we need to pass more to beat those teams.

 

[smokey_wasp]

44 years ago, but we soundly beat a decent mutt team in 1974 without ever completing a pass, and probably attempting no more than 2.

Nesbitt completed 1 of 6 attempts in our 2008 win.

 

[bobongo]

I have already posted this data, multiple times, but will post it again. We actually had 10 or less pass ATTEMPTS in 8 of our 12 wins over ranked opponents during CPJ’s tenure. I am sure most of those are less than 5 completions.

2008
#16 FSU - 6 pass attempts
#13 UGA - 6 pass attempts
2009
#4 Va Tech - 7 pass attempts
#25 Clemson (ACC title game) - 18 pass attempts
2011
#6 Clemson - 9 pass attempts
2014
#18 Clemson - 11 pass attempts
#8 UGA - 16 pass attempts
#8 Miss St. - 12 pass attempts
2015
#9 FSU - 10 pass attempts
2016
#18 Va Tech - 7 pass attempts
UGA - 10 pass attempts
2017
#17 Va Tech - 8 pass attempts

For me, passing efficiency is more critical than number of passes. We can and have won many games over big boys with just a select few, well timed pass plays. That is actually when we are at our best. It is false that we need to pass more to beat those teams.

Well I hope whatever we do next week works. I just don't see us running it down their throats, though. A few well-timed passes would be good, but perhaps a few more than normal.

 

[GTech63]

It would be nice to have a prolific passing attack. Oh well.

Not sure what you mean by prolific but if we could throw 10 to 15 times a game and complete 5 to 10 consistently it would enhance our ground game. I believe it was the last pass we tried and Stewart was behind defender and had 6 written all over it. It was almost intercepted with a not well thrown ball.

When was last time we tried a bubble screen? Against UVA, IDRC a screen pass. We don't need to throw 20 to 30 times.

I also think we need more counters and reverses even if they don't make big yardage. Yesterday UVA had 3 and 4 to the outside as fast as our backs got there. They sold out to the direction of the ball.

Speaking of tackling? Did UVA wear Teflon uniforms? Looked like a lot sliding off after making contact.

 

[GTRX7]

Well I hope whatever we do next week works. I just don't see us running it down their throats, though. A few well-timed passes would be good, but perhaps a few more than normal.

To be clear, I am not expecting whatever we do Saturday to work either. But that is more because of who is running our system this year instead of the system itself. More importantly, not many systems have had much success against this group of UGA players the last couple of years.

I feel pretty confident saying I think we get blown out if we pass 25 times though.

 

[strong90]

Huge fan of our offense, especially those games that we control TOP with demoralizing drives without throwing a single pass. We don't have to pass to win, nor should we.

However, for this offense to click on all cylinders, especially against good teams that put 9 in the box, we need to make them respect a legitimate passing threat. Right now we don't do that reliably, but it's not a scheme problem.

Just the threat, with only a few attempts per game to make them pay, and the option game can explode. Against anyone.

I think CPJ wanted to do that yesterday but didn't like the results.

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[CuseJacket]

Shotgun spread offense, a bunch of 4-5 stars and sling it around 20+ times against the mutts?

There is no guaranteed recipe for success, including the 3O. Just gotta play clean and probably win the turnover game by 2+.