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RamblinWreck92 said:
Meanwhile, UVA is far-and-away the best team we beat this year and anyone who watched this game will admit we were VERY fortunate to get out of there with a victory and that it had nothing to do with our offense. Instead, our ST absolutely gets the game ball today. Time and again, that QB Keeper got stuffed. We completed one single pass and it led to a FG that practically won the game for us. Time and again, there were 8-9 guys in the box, daring us to pass. Time and again, predictable QB Keeper stuffed or pitched to a guy who ran into a wall outside.

Say what you want but this predictable QB Keeper offense cannot and will not allow us to beat the Dukes, PITTs, and UVAs. The only teams we beat this year were the crappy ones. Thinking that this type of QB Keeper offense can beat Duke, PITT, Clemson or the mutts is what has No Basis In Reality.

No one ever said 'high volume' of passing so you're making **** up there. But a high volume of QB Keepers is a recipe for a 6-7 win season and watching the ACCCG from home...at best.

Hopefully Graham gets a shotgun package to work with next year. If TO is the starter, it's another 2018: We'll beat every team we're better than (except a USF-type game) and lose to every team that's as-good or better than us. YAWN.

PS: Heck, one thing a few more passes might do would be to bring meat to the seats. Today's crowd was embarrassing - barely 30,000 people.
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If this is you after a win, I'm glad I don't know you in real life.

The team won, sorry you aren't happy with how they did it.

Citadel scored more against Bama in the first half than the previous two teams combined.

Syracuse threw the ball 35 times and scored 3 points.
Duke threw 44 times and scored 6 points.
Iowa state threw 29 times and scored 10 points.

Please explain to me exactly why you think throwing is the key to success when there are just as many examples of teams looking terrible while throwing.

Sometimes offenses don't score points. That's part of football. All schemes can be effective and all schemes can do poor. Bemoaning our offense because you think it doesn't work is pretty silly. There is a Bobby Dodd coach of the year and a three time ACC coach of the year in charge of our team that disagrees with you, so I'll continue to think you're clueless.

I look forward to your post after the UGA game one way or the other.
 
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RamblinWreck92 said:
Meanwhile, UVA is far-and-away the best team we beat this year and anyone who watched this game will admit we were VERY fortunate to get out of there with a victory and that it had nothing to do with our offense. Instead, our ST absolutely gets the game ball today. Time and again, that QB Keeper got stuffed. We completed one single pass and it led to a FG that practically won the game for us. Time and again, there were 8-9 guys in the box, daring us to pass. Time and again, predictable QB Keeper stuffed or pitched to a guy who ran into a wall outside.

Say what you want but this predictable QB Keeper offense cannot and will not allow us to beat the Dukes, PITTs, and UVAs. The only teams we beat this year were the crappy ones. Thinking that this type of QB Keeper offense can beat Duke, PITT, Clemson or the mutts is what has No Basis In Reality.

No one ever said 'high volume' of passing so you're making **** up there. But a high volume of QB Keepers is a recipe for a 6-7 win season and watching the ACCCG from home...at best.

Hopefully Graham gets a shotgun package to work with next year. If TO is the starter, it's another 2018: We'll beat every team we're better than (except a USF-type game) and lose to every team that's as-good or better than us. YAWN.

PS: Heck, one thing a few more passes might do would be to bring meat to the seats. Today's crowd was embarrassing - barely 30,000 people.
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ibeattetris said:
If this is you after a win, I'm glad I don't know you in real life.

The team won, sorry you aren't happy with how they did it.

Citadel scored more against Bama in the first half than the previous two teams combined.

Syracuse threw the ball 35 times and scored 3 points.
Duke threw 44 times and scored 6 points.
Iowa state threw 29 times and scored 10 points.

Please explain to me exactly why you think throwing is the key to success when there are just as many examples of teams looking terrible while throwing.

Sometimes offenses don't score points. That's part of football. All schemes can be effective and all schemes can do poor. Bemoaning our offense because you think it doesn't work is pretty silly. There is a Bobby Dodd coach of the year and a three time ACC coach of the year in charge of our team that disagrees with you, so I'll continue to think you're clueless.

I look forward to your post after the UGA game one way or the other.
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man, I know we're all STEM majors but good lord, did you all fail reading comprehension classes? Please point out where I EVER EVER EVER said throwing is "key to success". All I've ever said is that we need more balance and less predictability. All game long...and this game looked alot like games vs PITT, Duke, and Clemson...All game long the opposition shut down both the middle and the outside. All game long, the QB Keeper was stuffed on 1st down, leaving us in dire shape with 2nd and longs or 3rd and longs (after a 2nd QB keeper was stuffed). All - ALL - I'm saying is that a completed pass here and there would've opened up the running game for us.
That's It.
I'm not saying we need to throw it 30 times.
I don't think it's a "key to any success".
I do think - and my observations indeed have a statistical "Basis In Reality" - that we are too one-dimensional and predictable.

Prior to yesterday's victory - a victory I attended and cheered my *** off for and was happy as hell to watch in person and share with my kids - UVA was ranked #48.

So that means that this QB Keeper offense's best victory was against the nation's #48th-ranked team.

Every other team we played that was better beat us. THAT is the 'basis in reality' of my opinion and frankly, anyone watching us that thinks this QB Keeper offense is going to put us into the ACC-CG is fooling themselves.

Look, it's nice to crush the cupcakes on our schedule. Blowing out Loserville and the Chokies was hilarity. Watching Miami cough it up 3X and hanging on to beat those jerks was excellent. But it ain't gonna do more than it's done in 2018: 7 wins and a lower-tier bowl. The same thing that got the previous coach fired.

I give credit to CPJ for turning around a dismal-start to the season and salvaging a winning season and a bowl appearance. Hopefully we can return to an offense more like 2014/2009 next year that involves completed passes to WRs. Doing that - and having Coach Woody instill some open-field tackling techniques for our secondary - might get us back into the ACC-CG. Running another year of 40+ QB keepers and 1 completed pass/game gets us another 2018.

I think the difference here is that plenty of fans are thrilled with 2018 and don't really want much more than 7 wins. Oh well - some of us have higher aspirations, I guess.

re: UGA - I'm hoping for a miracle but will be content if we body-slam a few of their players just out of spite and soften 'em up for 'Bama. CPJ's teams never quit so who knows.
 
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I just realized that, but it’d do you good to enjoy a win when we get ‘em. What’s the point of being a fan if you can’t?
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We enjoyed the hell out of that win! It was a grand walk back to Deck A. The kids got to see a great victory, complete with a safety, the longest FG since Butker's 2014 nut-kick, a rare home OT win, and a gorgeous sunset.

It's interesting how an opinion to the some people's contrary can get attacked but that person isn't supposed to respond. Some fans need to understand that - GASP - there are other fans who don't think exactly like they do and who aren't fans of this terribly-predictable offense nor 7-win seasons, even though this season getting to 7 wins is absolutely an accomplishment. I hope that makes sense. Later, Cheese - another nice day is upon us - I hope you get out and enjoy it!
 
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We enjoyed the hell out of that win! It was a grand walk back to Deck A. The kids got to see a great victory, complete with a safety, the longest FG since Butker's 2014 nut-kick, a rare home OT win, and a gorgeous sunset.

It's interesting how an opinion to the some people's contrary can get attacked but that person isn't supposed to respond. Some fans need to understand that - GASP - there are other fans who don't think exactly like they do and who aren't fans of this terribly-predictable offense nor 7-win seasons, even though this season getting to 7 wins is absolutely an accomplishment. I hope that makes sense. Later, Cheese - another nice day is upon us - I hope you get out and enjoy it!
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Thanks, I will. I’m headed out for a walk on the beach right now!
 
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I'm fine with 'top half in offense efficiency' if it starts beating the Dukes and PITTs of the conference rather than finishing 3rd in the worst, weakest Coastal division in history.
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Our offense, for whatever reason, performed poorly against Duke and Pitt. We scored less than 2/3 their points/drive allowed average against Pwr5 competition (DPPD average). However, against every other power5 team we've played, we've outscored their DPPD average significantly.

Before our game against vpi, they had the #21 DPPDvP5, allowing on average 1.81 ppd to pwr5 offenses. We destroyed them because of our "QB Keep" scheme. Before our game against d'oh U, they had the #10 D, DPPDvP5, allowing on average 1.55 ppd. After our game, they had fallen to #14, allowing 1.7 ppd. Before our game, uva was #21, allowing 1.81 ppd vP5 on average. We did better than that, though not by much.

For the season, before yesterday's game, we were averaging 3.05 points/drive versus power5 opponents, putting us at #6 in the country on offensive efficiency.

Now, you can believe that there's something wrong with our offense that led to the performance against Duke and Pitt. Or, you can say that maybe we had a couple bad games, but that the problem's not the scheme.
 
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RamblinWreck92 said:
man, I know we're all STEM majors but good lord, did you all fail reading comprehension classes? Please point out where I EVER EVER EVER said throwing is "key to success". All I've ever said is that we need more balance and less predictability. All game long...and this game looked alot like games vs PITT, Duke, and Clemson...All game long the opposition shut down both the middle and the outside. All game long, the QB Keeper was stuffed on 1st down, leaving us in dire shape with 2nd and longs or 3rd and longs (after a 2nd QB keeper was stuffed). All - ALL - I'm saying is that a completed pass here and there would've opened up the running game for us.
That's It.
I'm not saying we need to throw it 30 times.
I don't think it's a "key to any success".
I do think - and my observations indeed have a statistical "Basis In Reality" - that we are too one-dimensional and predictable.

Prior to yesterday's victory - a victory I attended and cheered my *** off for and was happy as hell to watch in person and share with my kids - UVA was ranked #48.

So that means that this QB Keeper offense's best victory was against the nation's #48th-ranked team.

Every other team we played that was better beat us. THAT is the 'basis in reality' of my opinion and frankly, anyone watching us that thinks this QB Keeper offense is going to put us into the ACC-CG is fooling themselves.

Look, it's nice to crush the cupcakes on our schedule. Blowing out Loserville and the Chokies was hilarity. Watching Miami cough it up 3X and hanging on to beat those jerks was excellent. But it ain't gonna do more than it's done in 2018: 7 wins and a lower-tier bowl. The same thing that got the previous coach fired.

I give credit to CPJ for turning around a dismal-start to the season and salvaging a winning season and a bowl appearance. Hopefully we can return to an offense more like 2014/2009 next year that involves completed passes to WRs. Doing that - and having Coach Woody instill some open-field tackling techniques for our secondary - might get us back into the ACC-CG. Running another year of 40+ QB keepers and 1 completed pass/game gets us another 2018.

I think the difference here is that plenty of fans are thrilled with 2018 and don't really want much more than 7 wins. Oh well - some of us have higher aspirations, I guess.

re: UGA - I'm hoping for a miracle but will be content if we body-slam a few of their players just out of spite and soften 'em up for 'Bama. CPJ's teams never quit so who knows.
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Calm your rage at the W. You really seem inconsolable so I’m sorry about that for you.

So you reference a “STEM” background and observations based off reality. Then you attempt to label our scheme on Oa 40 QB keeper scheme. You literally don’t realize how hypocritically ignorant this shows you to be. And your ignorance is obviously based off personal knowledge of the success of our scheme because you actually cite prior years when it has run at very elite levels.

Thanks for the laugh..it’s good to start a day off with a good laugh even when at another’s expense.

Now that I see your rage comes from a standpoint of ignorance I understand you better. I actually share your desire for a more efficient passing game. I’ve bemoaned it myself a little in a thread or two. But our struggles passing aren’t due to a flaw in the scheme, unless you contend a shotgun pass 80% of downs scheme would improve passing...and I think that’s really what you do think and desire. @ibeattetris has sufficiently responded to that contention so I won’t waste needless time rehashing those points.

Our passing woes this year and last year derive from some deficiencies in our QB personnel. That’s it. And our passing efficiency will fluctuate based on that year to year. Just like every other team.

You really embarrass yourself by attempting to falsely label our scheme a 40+QB keeper scheme. It really shines a bright light on your ignorance of our scheme and football in general. And now that people realize you can’t identify the differences between a 30 play, a speed option, a QB follow, etc.. and obviously just label them all as QB keepers...you are much easier to dismiss. I’d suggest you attempt to learn a little about that to discuss our offense more intelligently....but we all know that endeavor would probably bore you too much to allow your brain to actually absorb the info.
 
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RamblinWreck92 said:
I'm fine with 'top half in offense efficiency' if it starts beating the Dukes and PITTs of the conference rather than finishing 3rd in the worst, weakest Coastal division in history.
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I get this, however every team not called a powerhouse has struggles against other teams. Are we better than those team? Imo yes. But we aren’t alone in the regards of struggling, most every college team is, so you would be upset with almost every team you were a fan of it you weren’t a fan of a powerhouse. It’s just part of football at this level, seen it for to long. GT should and can do better though.
 

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Calm your rage at the W. You really seem inconsolable so I’m sorry about that for you.

So you reference a “STEM” background and observations based off reality. Then you attempt to label our scheme on Oa 40 QB keeper scheme. You literally don’t realize how hypocritically ignorant this shows you to be. And your ignorance is obviously based off personal knowledge of the success of our scheme because you actually cite prior years when it has run at very elite levels.

Thanks for the laugh..it’s good to start a day off with a good laugh even when at another’s expense.

Now that I see your rage comes from a standpoint of ignorance I understand you better. I actually share your desire for a more efficient passing game. I’ve bemoaned it myself a little in a thread or two. But our struggles passing aren’t due to a flaw in the scheme, unless you contend a shotgun pass 80% of downs scheme would improve passing...and I think that’s really what you do think and desire. @ibeattetris has sufficiently responded to that contention so I won’t waste needless time rehashing those points.

Our passing woes this year and last year derive from some deficiencies in our QB personnel. That’s it. And our passing efficiency will fluctuate based on that year to year. Just like every other team.

You really embarrass yourself by attempting to falsely label our scheme a 40+QB keeper scheme. It really shines a bright light on your ignorance of our scheme and football in general. And now that people realize you can’t identify the differences between a 30 play, a speed option, a QB follow, etc.. and obviously just label them all as QB keepers...you are much easier to dismiss. I’d suggest you attempt to learn a little about that to discuss our offense more intelligently....but we all know that endeavor would probably bore you too much to allow your brain to actually absorb the info.
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I think it better to enlighten and challenge the 92wreck rather than make personal attacks.
So, a simple question.
Are you saying :
We should pass more with our current personnel
We should play QBs that pass better
We should play better receivers who can’t block
We should fire the coach, recruit players that pass and have more excitement in our game

I sense your answer is the last one and I really don’t know how to convince you otherwise.
 
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Truth said:
I think it better to enlighten and challenge the 92wreck rather than make personal attacks.
So, a simple question.
Are you saying :
We should pass more with our current personnel
We should play QBs that pass better
We should play better receivers who can’t block
We should fire the coach, recruit players that pass and have more excitement in our game

I sense your answer is the last one and I really don’t know how to convince you otherwise.
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Yes I think you picked the one he would, but there are a few on here that hate CPJ and won't be happy till he is gone.
 
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Whiskey_Clear said:
Because despite a ton of data to the contrary....the false narratives about our scheme continue. I’m fairly certain if it is said the sky is not blue on a clear day often enough...many would believe it eventually; despite actually seeing blue skies with their own eyes.
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Actually it’s not blue. Just millions of years of fake news which has been accepted as truth.

3-4 long passes a game is like an enema to opposing defenses. Keeps our offense from being constipated against good defenses.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/briank...hs-skies-are-violet-we-just-see-them-as-blue/
 

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I don’t know if passing more is essential but being more effective as some have said is. Or being able to pass when the ground game is stalled. I feel like I’m the earlier years we were good for a big TD pass every other game. I think the one vs UNC is the only one we’ve had this year.
 
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