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<blockquote data-quote="CEB" data-source="post: 909572" data-attributes="member: 4905"><p>You have been very big on telling everyone that just because CGC failed doesn't mean we should abandon recruiting. </p><p>On the flip side, you're adamant that because CPJ didn't recruit, "factually" NO ONE can recruit to an option based offense. </p><p>Both are strawman positions - no one is saying we shouldn't try to recruit, and college football is littered with option based offenses doing just fine with recruits.</p><p></p><p>Here is the crux of the issue for me... Recruiting as a primary focus is a non-starter because:</p><p>1. Recruiting independent coaching, development, and program identity / stability is next to worthless</p><p>2. Recruiting without development won't take you very far, and probably wont allow you to retain those recruits... especially these days</p><p>3. We will not out recruit at least a 1/3, if not 1/2 of our schedule, so if we plan to win more than 7-8, there has to be a lot more to it. Recruiting definitely helps, but recruiting doesn't SOLVE much of anything.</p><p>4. Recruiting is wishy washy and highly subjective. Hardly something to base your existence on. How do you measure recruiting? The only thing I have seen is independent parties opining on individual talent with little concern for what you need as a program. Thats probably fine for the factories in the top 10 of rankings annually... it is a fair assessment of where those top 10 teams stack up <em>relative to one another</em>. They stack 4 and 5 star recruits 3 deep, so its just a numbers game on which of them got the most this year. For everyone outside of the top 10-15, its not a very accurate measure as far as I can tell. So honestly, what does it mean to "recruit better?" What is the real benefit of getting a top 20 class vs a top 30 class vs a top 50 class?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CEB, post: 909572, member: 4905"] You have been very big on telling everyone that just because CGC failed doesn't mean we should abandon recruiting. On the flip side, you're adamant that because CPJ didn't recruit, "factually" NO ONE can recruit to an option based offense. Both are strawman positions - no one is saying we shouldn't try to recruit, and college football is littered with option based offenses doing just fine with recruits. Here is the crux of the issue for me... Recruiting as a primary focus is a non-starter because: 1. Recruiting independent coaching, development, and program identity / stability is next to worthless 2. Recruiting without development won't take you very far, and probably wont allow you to retain those recruits... especially these days 3. We will not out recruit at least a 1/3, if not 1/2 of our schedule, so if we plan to win more than 7-8, there has to be a lot more to it. Recruiting definitely helps, but recruiting doesn't SOLVE much of anything. 4. Recruiting is wishy washy and highly subjective. Hardly something to base your existence on. How do you measure recruiting? The only thing I have seen is independent parties opining on individual talent with little concern for what you need as a program. Thats probably fine for the factories in the top 10 of rankings annually... it is a fair assessment of where those top 10 teams stack up [I]relative to one another[/I]. They stack 4 and 5 star recruits 3 deep, so its just a numbers game on which of them got the most this year. For everyone outside of the top 10-15, its not a very accurate measure as far as I can tell. So honestly, what does it mean to "recruit better?" What is the real benefit of getting a top 20 class vs a top 30 class vs a top 50 class? [/QUOTE]
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