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<blockquote data-quote="mmbt0ne" data-source="post: 150123" data-attributes="member: 855"><p>Dumervil was a 4th round pick. Allen was a 4th round pick. You want to take Ray in the 4th round and hope he pans out? Go for it. As for Suggs, he plays OLB in a 4-3. Ray is awful against the run, so no way he can play that position.</p><p></p><p>His 40 time is fine because he has a good first step, but everything else is terrible.</p><p></p><p>Tell me which one of these is 300lb OL Shaq Mason and which is edge rusher Shane Ray</p><p></p><p>Vert: 33.5"</p><p>20 yd shuttle: 4.53 sec</p><p>3 cone: 7.71 sec</p><p></p><p>Vert: 32.0"</p><p>20 yd shuttle: 4.65 sec</p><p>3 cone: 7.53 sec</p><p></p><p>He's just not athletic enough for a first round pick, let alone trading up to make it. </p><p></p><p>SPARQ results for edge rushers by percentile</p><p>Beasley 99.2</p><p>Dupree 97.5</p><p>Odighizuwa 95.6</p><p>Gregory 92.2</p><p>Smith 84.2</p><p>Fowler 47.1</p><p>Ray 18.5</p><p></p><p>Sure Ray may just have so much Want-It-More he can't be kept off the field, but the odds are strongly against that.</p><p></p><p>Here's a great article from Justis Mosqueda on what he calls "Force Players" <a href="http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/53704/466/force-players-2015-draft" target="_blank">http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/53704/466/force-players-2015-draft</a></p><p></p><p>My favorite takeaway is this line:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So whether or not you like Ray, you're probably better off selecting someone like Preston Smith or Danielle Hunter in later rounds.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mmbt0ne, post: 150123, member: 855"] Dumervil was a 4th round pick. Allen was a 4th round pick. You want to take Ray in the 4th round and hope he pans out? Go for it. As for Suggs, he plays OLB in a 4-3. Ray is awful against the run, so no way he can play that position. His 40 time is fine because he has a good first step, but everything else is terrible. Tell me which one of these is 300lb OL Shaq Mason and which is edge rusher Shane Ray Vert: 33.5" 20 yd shuttle: 4.53 sec 3 cone: 7.71 sec Vert: 32.0" 20 yd shuttle: 4.65 sec 3 cone: 7.53 sec He's just not athletic enough for a first round pick, let alone trading up to make it. SPARQ results for edge rushers by percentile Beasley 99.2 Dupree 97.5 Odighizuwa 95.6 Gregory 92.2 Smith 84.2 Fowler 47.1 Ray 18.5 Sure Ray may just have so much Want-It-More he can't be kept off the field, but the odds are strongly against that. Here's a great article from Justis Mosqueda on what he calls "Force Players" [URL]http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/53704/466/force-players-2015-draft[/URL] My favorite takeaway is this line: So whether or not you like Ray, you're probably better off selecting someone like Preston Smith or Danielle Hunter in later rounds. [/QUOTE]
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