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<blockquote data-quote="RamblinRed" data-source="post: 596179" data-attributes="member: 1776"><p>I have the same top 3 and bottom 5 - though I haven't really tried to sort them at any level lower than that. </p><p></p><p>The other 7 are really a jumble for me right now and frankly until all the waivers are decided it is hard to sort them. I do have NCST as likely top 5 or 6. UVA is all about how much you believe in Bennett as he hasn't had a team finish lower than 12th nationally in the final KenPom rankings the last 6 seasons. He will this year though. I do think they will finish in the top 1/2 of the league even with all the losses.</p><p>I like FSU to be in the Top 5. i think Hamilton is just stockpiling to much talent every year that players leave, players come and the results stay fairly consistent.</p><p></p><p>i am not nearly as high on ND as you are. They were 3-13 last season (tied with Pitt for last in the league). That is a long climb to Top 5 in the conference, much less #4.</p><p>They do get Pleuger and Carmondy back from injury and Plueger would have been one of their best players on last year's squad. But they lost DJ Harvey to transfer after the season. He was their 3rd leading scorer and 2nd leading rebounder in ACC games last year (he was the 4th highest rated play for ND last year in my metrics and #68 overall in the ACC).</p><p>They have 0 recruits coming in.</p><p></p><p>They were awful both on offense and defense last year.</p><p>14th in scoring (ahead of only GT), 14th in FG% at .372 ahead of only Wake (gt was 8th in FG% in the ACC at .426), 13th in 3FG% which was 13th overall (and below GT).</p><p>on defense they were 12th in FG% defense and 11th in 3FG% defense. They were also 14th in rebounding margin ahead of only BC.</p><p></p><p>I expect Plueger and Carmody to make them a better team - especially on offense, but they were really bad last year and defense and rebounding isn't likely to be any better losing Harvey.</p><p>I think they climb into the middle 5, but I don't think they go better than .500 in the conference and frnakly i expect them to be sub .500. I'd probably right now put them toward the bottom of the top 10 in the ACC. Without Parham i think GT is a better ACC team right now than ND and with him i'm not sure it is even close. GT loses slightly more production (11.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg vs 10.2 ppg, 3.9 rpg) but they start from a higher spot with twice as many ACC wins last season than ND managed. I'd actually be pretty disappointed if GT finshed behind ND this year.</p><p></p><p>When the fall comes and i really try to rank them 1-15 I am sort of expecting GT to fall around 7th or 8th.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RamblinRed, post: 596179, member: 1776"] I have the same top 3 and bottom 5 - though I haven't really tried to sort them at any level lower than that. The other 7 are really a jumble for me right now and frankly until all the waivers are decided it is hard to sort them. I do have NCST as likely top 5 or 6. UVA is all about how much you believe in Bennett as he hasn't had a team finish lower than 12th nationally in the final KenPom rankings the last 6 seasons. He will this year though. I do think they will finish in the top 1/2 of the league even with all the losses. I like FSU to be in the Top 5. i think Hamilton is just stockpiling to much talent every year that players leave, players come and the results stay fairly consistent. i am not nearly as high on ND as you are. They were 3-13 last season (tied with Pitt for last in the league). That is a long climb to Top 5 in the conference, much less #4. They do get Pleuger and Carmondy back from injury and Plueger would have been one of their best players on last year's squad. But they lost DJ Harvey to transfer after the season. He was their 3rd leading scorer and 2nd leading rebounder in ACC games last year (he was the 4th highest rated play for ND last year in my metrics and #68 overall in the ACC). They have 0 recruits coming in. They were awful both on offense and defense last year. 14th in scoring (ahead of only GT), 14th in FG% at .372 ahead of only Wake (gt was 8th in FG% in the ACC at .426), 13th in 3FG% which was 13th overall (and below GT). on defense they were 12th in FG% defense and 11th in 3FG% defense. They were also 14th in rebounding margin ahead of only BC. I expect Plueger and Carmody to make them a better team - especially on offense, but they were really bad last year and defense and rebounding isn't likely to be any better losing Harvey. I think they climb into the middle 5, but I don't think they go better than .500 in the conference and frnakly i expect them to be sub .500. I'd probably right now put them toward the bottom of the top 10 in the ACC. Without Parham i think GT is a better ACC team right now than ND and with him i'm not sure it is even close. GT loses slightly more production (11.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg vs 10.2 ppg, 3.9 rpg) but they start from a higher spot with twice as many ACC wins last season than ND managed. I'd actually be pretty disappointed if GT finshed behind ND this year. When the fall comes and i really try to rank them 1-15 I am sort of expecting GT to fall around 7th or 8th. [/QUOTE]
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