Midweek v Georgia State

DecaturJacket

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Seems to me their coach may approach midweek games (especially vs. us) strategically different. This may change during the year. I don't blame him.
I think there is some truth to that. The Sun Belt only had 2 teams in the NCAAT last year. Yet, they both hosted regionals - Coastal Carolina #13 and Southern Miss #16. Of course, Coastal went to the final series in Omaha. The previous 3 seasons ('22-'24) the Sun Belt had 4 teams in the NCAAT every season. So, it is a quality baseball conference and I doubt anyone is questioning that. Having said that, it reinforces why midweek games against GT are a big deal as far building a resume as well as local recruiting I suspect (and building confidence for the team).

Our conference schedule begins in 3 days. Ga State doesn't begin their conference schedule on a weekend for 10 days when they host Marshall, so they have some time to adjust their starting rotation for weekends if they want to (meaning, move their starter against us to the conference weekend schedule if they desire).

On our end, I hope nothing is physically wrong with Patel.

I can see some value in that. If they think he's going to get better competition in the midweek game than whoever they're playing that weekend. Gets him ready for the tougher games later in the season. I always question getting in that "groove" of knowing that you're going to pitch every xxx day though. To @Mandingo Finkelstein point though, they do have a little extra time to transition him to the weekend though if that in fact is their goal.

Biggest game of the season so far. By quite a bit. A split with Ga St is significant compared to 0-2.

"So far" doesn't really say much at this point. The rest of our competition is a combined 10-30.

Meh, I honestly don't think a win or loss here matters all that much tbh. It matters more for them than it does for us. If our season comes down to where the committee is looking at how we did in our midweeks against GA State, a lot of other things (with a lot more meaning) have gone terribly wrong.

FWIW Coastal was swept by CoC (who didn't make the postseason) in midweeks last season. I think ended up being ok.
 
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Midweek games actually matter though - or wait - I mean no they don't ... :ROFLMAO:
Well they do pad the W-L record one way or the other.
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The importance of midweek discussion is "funny"... I think everyone agrees on these:
- You should prefare & plan to win every game on schedule
- Conference games/record is the priority (IOW... start your planning there & work out to midweek

So I "think" those are absolutes that all agree on.

Yet... this is the funny part... many get accused of not taking midweek seriously (enough). That turns into folks saying the coaches & fans "believe" these midweeks don't matter.

It's a strange alignment of dots to reach that conclusion.
 

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The importance of midweek discussion is "funny"... I think everyone agrees on these:
- You should prefare & plan to win every game on schedule
- Conference games/record is the priority (IOW... start your planning there & work out to midweek

So I "think" those are absolutes that all agree on.

Yet... this is the funny part... many get accused of not taking midweek seriously (enough). That turns into folks saying the coaches & fans "believe" these midweeks don't matter.

It's a strange alignment of dots to reach that conclusion.

To be fair, college baseball is just set up strangely. It's necessary (because school), but it is just goofy.
  • You're gonna play these weekend series and also a bunch of single midweek games.
  • Some of your midweek games will be one-offs, some will be a two game series, and every once in a while you'll have a three game series (spread over the course of these season obviously).
  • Sometimes you'll have 2 midweek games, but never against the same team back to back.
  • Oh, and sometimes you're gonna have a 4 game weekend series.
  • All of you conference games will be 3 game weekend series though.
  • You're gonna have a conference tourny and it's all gonna be jammed into 6 days. You could end up playing 5 games in 6 days.
  • After that, if you make it, you'll be in a 4 team double elimination tourny that will be 3-4 days.
  • We aren't used to going past here, so I'll stop here for now :)
Obviously all games "matter" in the sense that they count towards your record. However, your conference games seed you for your conference tournament. Does your conference tournament matter? Maybe?Depends? Conference games typically "mean" the most when it comes to your resume. This is true whether you're in a strong conference or not.

That doesn't mean you aren't trying to win the midweeks. That doesn't mean you can lose all your midweeks and it won't hurt you when it comes to seeding. However, when it comes to prioritizing games, the midweeks come in last. Because of that, especially in the early part of the season, you're gonna see teams experimenting with lineups, giving guys the day off, going into games with a certain goal (other than winning), etc. And then of course you're not typically seeing the best pitching for either team. Again, you can go back and reread the first two sentences of this paragraph (if you call it that). Nobody wants to lose. However, it's nearly impossible NOT to look at midweeks differently than weekend games.

Baseball is a funny game. You can hit the crap out of the ball, but if it's right at somebody it's an out. You can barely get a piece of a ball and bloop it over the infield for a hit. You can stand there and see three straight nasty pitches for strikes or you can stand there and see four that aren't even close. So many outcomes. A midweek game is a single one-off game. Even if you're playing the same team the next week or two more times later in the season. They give that vibe of anybody can win a single game on a single night. That's just the nature of baseball.

I'm not a big fan of the midweek aspect of college baseball, BUT it is a necessary part of the game. It's kind of like you have two different seasons going on within the one season. The games count, but for all the reasons above, they are just kind of "different." They don't "not matter," but I don't know how you can't say they matter less. If midweek losses add up of course they become a bigger deal, but a midweek loss here and there isn't going to kill you - even if it is a "sweep" by a lesser in state program. College baseball is all about taking care of the weekends. Just win enough midweeks to where they don't really matter.

- Annnnnnd just like that, I fell for the trap again
 
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Well... @DecaturJacket ... we'll just see tonight. If Ga St wins then clearly they care more about midweek games and the proper amount. ...all of your spot on points be damned.

Lol. I didn't say it in that post, but I did further above - midweeks do matter more for smaller conference teams. They still mean less than their weekend games though. Smaller conference teams have to win enough conference games to make some noise and then also win some midweeks against the bigger schools to help their chances/seeding.

But also, winning baseball games has very little do with caring more or less imo.
 

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To be fair, college baseball is just set up strangely. It's necessary (because school), but it is just goofy.
  • You're gonna play these weekend series and also a bunch of single midweek games.
  • Some of your midweek games will be one-offs, some will be a two game series, and every once in a while you'll have a three game series (spread over the course of these season obviously).
  • Sometimes you'll have 2 midweek games, but never against the same team back to back.
  • Oh, and sometimes you're gonna have a 4 game weekend series.
  • All of you conference games will be 3 game weekend series though.
  • You're gonna have a conference tourny and it's all gonna be jammed into 6 days. You could end up playing 5 games in 6 days.
  • After that, if you make it, you'll be in a 4 team double elimination tourny that will be 3-4 days.
  • We aren't used to going past here, so I'll stop here for now :)
Obviously all games "matter" in the sense that they count towards your record. However, your conference games seed you for your conference tournament. Does your conference tournament matter? Maybe?Depends? Conference games typically "mean" the most when it comes to your resume. This is true whether you're in a strong conference or not.

That doesn't mean you aren't trying to win the midweeks. That doesn't mean you can lose all your midweeks and it won't hurt you when it comes to seeding. However, when it comes to prioritizing games, the midweeks come in last. Because of that, especially in the early part of the season, you're gonna see teams experimenting with lineups, giving guys the day off, going into games with a certain goal (other than winning), etc. And then of course you're not typically seeing the best pitching for either team. Again, you can go back and reread the first two sentences of this paragraph (if you call it that). Nobody wants to lose. However, it's nearly impossible NOT to look at midweeks differently than weekend games.

Baseball is a funny game. You can hit the crap out of the ball, but if it's right at somebody it's an out. You can barely get a piece of a ball and bloop it over the infield for a hit. You can stand there and see three straight nasty pitches for strikes or you can stand there and see four that aren't even close. So many outcomes. A midweek game is a single one-off game. Even if you're playing the same team the next week or two more times later in the season. They give that vibe of anybody can win a single game on a single night. That's just the nature of baseball.

I'm not a big fan of the midweek aspect of college baseball, BUT it is a necessary part of the game. It's kind of like you have two different seasons going on within the one season. The games count, but for all the reasons above, they are just kind of "different." They don't "not matter," but I don't know how you can't say they matter less. If midweek losses add up of course they become a bigger deal, but a midweek loss here and there isn't going to kill you - even if it is a "sweep" by a lesser in state program. College baseball is all about taking care of the weekends. Just win enough midweeks to where they don't really matter.

- Annnnnnd just like that, I fell for the trap again

I think UGA and Auburn midweeks matter. I would honestly sacrifice one weekend game (depending) just to beat them. I know, I know we will not do this, but..

A: I’m sick of the SEC getting so much credit in every sport.
B: We are on an insane losing streak to UGA in every sport..
 

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Lol. I didn't say it in that post, but I did further above - midweeks do matter more for smaller conference teams. They still mean less than their weekend games though. Smaller conference teams have to win enough conference games to make some noise and then also win some midweeks against the bigger schools to help their chances/seeding.

But also, winning baseball games has very little do with caring more or less imo.
With the monster conferences, I believe mid week games matter more than they used to. My opinion is that GT did not host last year even though they won the ACC regular season championship because they had one of, if not the easiest, conference schedule. Win a game here and there against Auburn and Georgia, and you're hosting a regional. Shouldn't be a problem this year if we take care of business, but I believe it was a HUGE factor last year for us getting sent to Ole Miss.
 

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Well won't get ESPN+ through Sling so no watch😕

Saw the Week 2 GT All Access just after we lost to Ga State. Told them they screwed up and had a chance to redeem themselves. Tonight!
 

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@GTNavyNuke If you need live TV for other reasons never mind but Disney+/Hulu/ESPN/ESPN+ for $30/month has made me a happy campler since they started that last August.
 
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