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Is it a certainty or highly likely or other? ... that pitchers are getting 'coached' to do things differently at this level?

Having to adjust by removing bad habits from HS or simply things that won't work at the college level. Examples off top of my head: Mitigating tipping pitches... more reliance on the full pitch mix instead of using your FB everytime you need 'that' pitch... having to work 'in the zone' more with the full mix of pitches. It seems to me no "pre-D1" experience would prepare you for the full scope of what you need at this level. In turn, working through those needed adjustments can make a big difference in a freshman's trajectory. The learning/performance curve won't be linear and it will look different for each player.

It took Mason Patel 4 years to become a quality college baseball pitcher (that's mostly tongue in cheek).

For sure. Coaching pitchers can be very different from kid to kid.

Usually to get to Tech, they're doing a lot of things right already. However, there's ALWAYS a lot they can do better. You definitely look at a kid's mechanics and look for areas you can improve, but that's going to be very different kid to kid and you're not trying to get every kid to look alike. They all have their slight variations in mechanics and slot and that's usually a good thing. That being said, there are often bad mechanics that may need to be slightly corrected.

A lot of "learning to pitch" in college is getting used to not being able to just get by with throwing hard or having one solid pitch that you can just go to get guys out. It's learning to deal with a MUCH smaller strike zone and guys that won't chase the stuff that you're used to getting chased. Most kids don't have to rely on hitting their spots as much in high school either. You can get by hanging pitches over the plate a lot more because there's less guys that can do damage with them. In college all of that changes.

A lot of pitching is just learning consistency too. Consistency in your mechanics. Consistency with your control. Consistency with your approach (general approach, obviously hitter by hitter it can vary some).
 

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I think that was easily Underwood's worst game. And Auburn was his second worst. The VT and Northwestern games he had some bad luck and bad fielding, but these last two have been bad.

As pointed out previously, although it turned out great in that Blakely has really stepped up, Cooper didn't pitch nearly as bad as the stats show in those first few games and it was questionable at least as to whether the timing of taking that Sunday role from him made sense. I think his confidence could've really taken a hit there. I don't think that's why he's pitching bad now, but I'm sure it's in his head.

He has the stuff. It flashes here and there, but he's still learning to pitch to college hitters. Every once in a while a stud freshman comes in and dominates immediately (Marciano at VT last year, who's now at Auburn) comes to mind, but usually there's a steep learning curve and an adjustment period. Cooper has still only thrown 13 innings in college. He'll be fine. He's at 10 walks (and 4 hit batters) in 13 innings. He's just putting the ball in harms way too much (aka he's getting hit). This is a better problem than walks MOST of the time, as it shows he has some command, he's often just locating too far in the zone.

I get being "disappointed," but in reality I think it's usually safe to assume MOST pitchers first years are going to be adjustment years where they don't give you much. That being said, I myself am guilty of having higher expectations of him and would say that I am somewhat disappointed too. I fully expect him to still be a big part of our staff moving forward though (assuming that we don't lose him).



Meh. Spivey doesn't have anywhere near the pedigree of Underwood, so it's hard to say that he's a bigger disappointment. I get that you're talking in last night's game exclusively, but even then. He's seemingly been hit or miss his whole career. First two years at ND he had ERAs of 4.11 and 8.46. Last year he was 4.05 for us and this year he's at 8.25. Mixed in all of those years are great performances and really bad performances. Just hit or miss all around. He flashed some velocity this season that I don't think he previously had, but that obviously hasn't turned into too much. It is somewhat disappointing that it seems like he'll stay towards the bottom of the totem pole for relievers that we can rely on, but it's kind of where he's always been.

All in all, like has already been mentioned, outside of those two, it was a pretty solid night on the mound. Ballard continues to perform well in that long relief role. Early in his career, I really thought that he'd be a weekend starter at some point for us, but it seems like this is going to be his role this year and next. It seems like he's enjoying it and thriving in it though. Barfield continues to be nails when we need him. Lankie has really impressed me this season and has proven to be a guy that we can rely on. Shadek had another outing where he got two guys out quick, walked a guy and let him score. He's just gotta get better at getting that third out. Lol. Not at all worried about him though. Gaudette nails. Andelakos looked good again.

I speak in terms that Underwood is only a freshman. Spivey is a RS Senior and showed flashes last year of having potential. Spivey has some stuff example hitting 96 consistently and a decent changeup and slider. Underwood imo is just missing on his locations, he still has the stuff and is around the plate. Hanging that breaking ball was most likely a pop out in high school but ends up being a home run at next level. I’m not too concerned with Underwood he isn’t completely out of control on the mound and is just barely missing locations and he doesn't have enough velocity to barely miss with his location.
 

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@DecaturJacket, when I watch him pitch, I don't see that he has the stuff. I am definitely results biased, but what do you see? What traits do his pitches have that you like?

All of his pitches play at this level imo. His fastball isn't overpowering, but gets a lot of run. His slider is solid. His offspeed pitches are VERY good. He just hangs them every once in a while.

While he has hit some guys and had some issues with walks early in innings, in general he lives around the zone. That's good AND bad.

When he's really struggled this season, it's been when he hits guys and puts guys on base with free passes with no out. He did that again last night. He hit the first two batters. Got an out on the sac bunt. Got 0-2 then hung a breaking ball down broadway that got smacked for a double. That pitch has to be out of the zone up 0-2. If it is in the zone, it can't be there. Next batter he goes 0-1, then leaves a fastball over the plate up in the zone that got hammered out to center. The double later that inning was also fastball left over the middle. In high school he could probably get away with that stuff, but at this level even "bad" hitters are going to take advantage of that stuff.

You can have pitches that play, but if you hang them over the middle of the plate you're gonna get hit.

He seems to have 2 major issues right now imo.
  1. He starts slow. He has issues with hitting and/or walking guys early in the game. His trouble has mostly come from this.
  2. Control in and around the zone. Like I said, it doesn't matter how good you are if you are hanging pitches and leaving balls too far over the plate.
These issues are easily fixable though. He just needs to get experience and confidence.
 

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I went to the game. I noticed a few things. First, the catcher seems to lose focus from time to time. He either misses or drops a lot of pitches. On two occasions, he missed the strikout pitch and was lucky that the ball bounced off the back wall and came back to him for the throwout. At least two other times he dropped the third strike and had to throw to first base or chase the batter for the tag.

Second, the third baseman seems a little nonchalant defensively. He likes to pick up the ball and throw sidearmed on the run. Too many times he bounces the throw or airmails it.

Six homeruns was pretty awesome.
 

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Only watched the first few innings but Interesting observation on Zuck. He was lights out last weekend against FSU so wonder if he was trying / needed to throw off balance due to the runner.

Haven’t noticed issues from him before but will have to keep an eye out this weekend
 

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I went to the game. I noticed a few things. First, the catcher seems to lose focus from time to time. He either misses or drops a lot of pitches. On two occasions, he missed the strikout pitch and was lucky that the ball bounced off the back wall and came back to him for the throwout. At least two other times he dropped the third strike and had to throw to first base or chase the batter for the tag.

Second, the third baseman seems a little nonchalant defensively. He likes to pick up the ball and throw sidearmed on the run. Too many times he bounces the throw or airmails it.

Six homeruns was pretty awesome.
Is that the same 3bman who hit two HRs? I am a STH and from I have seen this year, Zuckerman is a good defensive third base man.
 

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On another note. I’ve watched and played a lot of baseball in my life and I can’t say I’ve ever seen a player do what Caleb Daniel is doing. He has 27 hits but 9 HRs and of those 9. Five are off the bench in momentum swinging situations..
 

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First, the catcher seems to lose focus from time to time.

Second, the third baseman seems a little nonchalant defensively. He likes to pick up the ball and throw sidearmed on the run. Too many times he bounces the throw or airmails it.

Six homeruns was pretty awesome.
@Steverc First, thanks for coming to RC. As @Wrecked said, Zuck has been good. His arm especially good. I was surprised to see Schmidt miss the short hop - I don't remember him ever missing one. I actually thought our backup C Rogers made a couple of very good stops with runners on base. Tough spot to be back up and compared to VL. Rogers has improved from last year - I hope we get him 1 more year as he is draft eligible. Catcher U!
 

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@Steverc First, thanks for coming to RC. As @Wrecked said, Zuck has been good. His arm especially good. I was surprised to see Schmidt miss the short hop - I don't remember him ever missing one. I actually thought our backup C Rogers made a couple of very good stops with runners on base. Tough spot to be back up and compared to VL. Rogers has improved from last year - I hope we get him 1 more year as he is draft eligible. Catcher U!

There's little to no chance of Rogers leaving for the draft. We'd be more likely to lose his to the portal than to the draft and I think if he were gonna do that he'd have done it last season not now that he's in line to start.

Rogers is good and I think will be very good, but these numbers are not likely "get drafted after sophomore season" (despite being eligible) numbers. That'd be true most any year, but it's especially true this year with the impending lockout/strike. He was the 23rd overall player in his class (3rd catcher). He likely would be drafted lower right now than if he would've gone out of hs. I don't think he'd go for that.

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Will Baker most likely returns as well, could see him at SS or 2nd base.

As long as it's not OF. Lol.

I didn't love him at 2B last season, but the coaches mentioned that he worked hard on his defense in the offseason and the few times he's moved to the IF this season he's been solid. Don't see him as a SS, but could definitely see him at 2B or 3B next season.
 

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As long as it's not OF. Lol.

I didn't love him at 2B last season, but the coaches mentioned that he worked hard on his defense in the offseason and the few times he's moved to the IF this season he's been solid. Don't see him as a SS, but could definitely see him at 2B or 3B next season.

I say SS because Cade Brown I see at 2nd or 3rd if Schmidt returns with Michael Dee playing either 2nd or SS with Baker.
 

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I say SS because Cade Brown I see at 2nd or 3rd if Schmidt returns with Michael Dee playing either 2nd or SS with Baker.

Brown was a solid 3B at Parkview. Definitely see him there based on both experience and body type.

Dee seems like a prototypical SS to me. Really the only one on the roster that'll be here next season if Kerce leaves imo.

Isaiah Galason is highly touted SS if we can get him to campus. He's had some draft buzz, but the potential lockout could help us with him too if nobody wants to take him early enough for his liking.

I don't know a ton about the other committed SS, Kolby Martin. That being said, there's still plenty of time for us to lose and gain guys from HS for next year.

Coupet and Neises could also see a shot a 3B.

Then there's the portal, which could change everything. Lol.
 

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Brown was a solid 3B at Parkview. Definitely see him there based on both experience and body type.

Dee seems like a prototypical SS to me. Really the only one on the roster that'll be here next season if Kerce leaves imo.

Isaiah Galason is highly touted SS if we can get him to campus. He's had some draft buzz, but the potential lockout could help us with him too if nobody wants to take him early enough for his liking.

I don't know a ton about the other committed SS, Kolby Martin. That being said, there's still plenty of time for us to lose and gain guys from HS for next year.

Coupet and Neises could also see a shot a 3B.

Then there's the portal, which could change everything. Lol.

My only portal request so far is John Stutezer from FSU. Get the Pope pipeline and get him at Tech. Spoke with his mom at the FSU series as she sat directly in front of me and the family misses attending most of his games.
 

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I went to the game. I noticed a few things. First, the catcher seems to lose focus from time to time. He either misses or drops a lot of pitches. On two occasions, he missed the strikout pitch and was lucky that the ball bounced off the back wall and came back to him for the throwout. At least two other times he dropped the third strike and had to throw to first base or chase the batter for the tag.

Second, the third baseman seems a little nonchalant defensively. He likes to pick up the ball and throw sidearmed on the run. Too many times he bounces the throw or airmails it.

Six homeruns was pretty awesome.
He bounced one ball which Schmidt would normally pick. He had to throw sidearmed because he was cutting across the hole to field the ball and didn't have time to set his feet. And he threw one ball high which was an out. Nothing "airmailed". Oh and he also went 5 for 5 at the plate with 2 homers with the one error. I'll take that any day.
 

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My only portal request so far is John Stutezer from FSU. Get the Pope pipeline and get him at Tech. Spoke with his mom at the FSU series as she sat directly in front of me and the family misses attending most of his games.
CFDH said on the stream Saturday that we tried hard to get Stuetzer.
 

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Talk to me some more about why the lockout would give kids a reason to stay in college or go to college out of high school. I'm not sure I follow that one. TBH, it seems more like it would work the other direction, especially for 21 year olds, since the major league coaching staffs would be more focused on the minor league side of things while the MLBPA and owners squabble. But maybe I'm overlooking something.
 
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