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<blockquote data-quote="lv20gt" data-source="post: 1000546" data-attributes="member: 2299"><p>It's 100% a deflection to bring up Pastner here. You can't even pretend that CDS takes any responsibility after losses. </p><p></p><p>But since you brought it up, Pastner won ACC CotY for greatly overperforming with the group that he inherited instead of throwing them under the bus after every loss. He also had our first back to back winning conferences records in a quarter century and our first conference championship in a similar amount of time. There was at least some level of success to earn leeway in balancing the problems he had to believe he could have success in the future. Even with that I routinely criticized his stubbornness with regards to the Princeton and especially his tendency in his later years of going small ball lineups to the detriment of the development of our bigs, and even before he was fired last year I said he likely wasn't going to be the guy to fix things long term but was against firing him because we were unlikely to land someone actually better at that time (and the way things have played since then haven't done anything to prove that fear unwarranted). Just because you refuse to criticize CDS doesn't mean I was the same way with Pastner. </p><p></p><p>In contrast, CDS has never led his team to the NCAAT as a head coach. He has an overall losing record, and only one winning season as a head coach. He wasn't some long tenured NBA assistant or the secret reason the Celtics were good like people pretend. He was there a year and a half. He only spent two years coaching at the P5 level in any capacity. In short, nothing he has done as a coach warrants the absolute free pass he is being given for this year nor his complete throwing the players under the bus and taking no responsibility for his team's play.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lv20gt, post: 1000546, member: 2299"] It's 100% a deflection to bring up Pastner here. You can't even pretend that CDS takes any responsibility after losses. But since you brought it up, Pastner won ACC CotY for greatly overperforming with the group that he inherited instead of throwing them under the bus after every loss. He also had our first back to back winning conferences records in a quarter century and our first conference championship in a similar amount of time. There was at least some level of success to earn leeway in balancing the problems he had to believe he could have success in the future. Even with that I routinely criticized his stubbornness with regards to the Princeton and especially his tendency in his later years of going small ball lineups to the detriment of the development of our bigs, and even before he was fired last year I said he likely wasn't going to be the guy to fix things long term but was against firing him because we were unlikely to land someone actually better at that time (and the way things have played since then haven't done anything to prove that fear unwarranted). Just because you refuse to criticize CDS doesn't mean I was the same way with Pastner. In contrast, CDS has never led his team to the NCAAT as a head coach. He has an overall losing record, and only one winning season as a head coach. He wasn't some long tenured NBA assistant or the secret reason the Celtics were good like people pretend. He was there a year and a half. He only spent two years coaching at the P5 level in any capacity. In short, nothing he has done as a coach warrants the absolute free pass he is being given for this year nor his complete throwing the players under the bus and taking no responsibility for his team's play. [/QUOTE]
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