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<blockquote data-quote="smathis30" data-source="post: 403023" data-attributes="member: 1803"><p>in absolute no instances (outside of maybe 1 or 2 due to poor forwarding). With Due Process and privacy rights, the FBI will always be limited in what they can do because of that. There is no ifs and or buts about that. Whisky_Clear said what i wanted to say in a clean and concise manner. We have a right to a fair trial and to our privacy as long as we are doing nothing wrong. Red flags don't mean **** until the line is crossed. The dude's parents were the ones that called on the police to try to teach him a lesson. Literally calling the police because their skills at parenting had reached a certain point. Its hard to take threats about someone seriously because of that. Yes his postings online said he would do something, but posts on the internet don't really mean anything because of anonymity. </p><p></p><p>As to the point about Europe- The only thing i found was <a href="https://www.thejacknews.com/law/gun-rights/the-united-states-does-not-have-more-mass-shootings-than-europe/" target="_blank">https://www.thejacknews.com/law/gun-rights/the-united-states-does-not-have-more-mass-shootings-than-europe/</a></p><p></p><p>Which shows that the U.S. would be ~12th compared to Europe. which is pretty solid until you consider that Europe has 51 countries and the US has more mass shootings than 80% of them and nearly 60% of Europe has not had a mass shooting in that time frame. since that study, western europe has had 1 mass shooting and the US has had 7. The only one in Europe, in Germany, was a religion-based terrorist attack at a mall. Europe as a whole also had a lower fatality rate due to mass shootings than the US did in the time frame, and that's including countries that had civil was in the past twenty years. No way around it, the US has worse gun violence than Europe. End of story.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As to policy</p><p>No one is realistically calling for a gun buyback. Its not really practical with how many are out there and its relative political suicide. People pulling support has more to do with how the NRA finances campaigns and HR moves than upsetting "common" Americans. Every mass shooting in the past three years has used a semi-automatic rifle, and that is a little concerning. In florida, it is easier for an 18-year old to obtain a rifle than a pistol due to the waiting period hand guns have but not rifles. Is that something we should be ok with? Im in favor of a weeklong waiting period. If we think the FBI should have increased power and should be better at their jobs, we need to give them more funding so they aren't overwhelmed with having to track 350 million people. I think the argument that if they didn't have guns they would use other things is dumb. I've spent the last few hours trying to google school machete massacres and its coming up a little empty relative to gun-based actions. Guns make it easy and people wouldn't do it if it wasn't easy. Arming teachers is a terrible idea all it takes is one misfire from a teacher for that to end poorly. Adding armed guards didn't do anything at Fort Hood and won't do anything at schools as long as people can sneak stuff in backpacks or on their person. Adding metal detectors may help but it creates fire hazards. I want research done by the CDC. If you don't trust the CDC when its led by a republican appointee than other research (from colleges that don't have to play by the appointing rules) will have much further left influence on them. If we want nationwide research (with what some of you call left leaning bias) now is the best time to do it. If mental health is really the issue and not guns, lets go see what we can do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smathis30, post: 403023, member: 1803"] in absolute no instances (outside of maybe 1 or 2 due to poor forwarding). With Due Process and privacy rights, the FBI will always be limited in what they can do because of that. There is no ifs and or buts about that. Whisky_Clear said what i wanted to say in a clean and concise manner. We have a right to a fair trial and to our privacy as long as we are doing nothing wrong. Red flags don't mean **** until the line is crossed. The dude's parents were the ones that called on the police to try to teach him a lesson. Literally calling the police because their skills at parenting had reached a certain point. Its hard to take threats about someone seriously because of that. Yes his postings online said he would do something, but posts on the internet don't really mean anything because of anonymity. As to the point about Europe- The only thing i found was [URL]https://www.thejacknews.com/law/gun-rights/the-united-states-does-not-have-more-mass-shootings-than-europe/[/URL] Which shows that the U.S. would be ~12th compared to Europe. which is pretty solid until you consider that Europe has 51 countries and the US has more mass shootings than 80% of them and nearly 60% of Europe has not had a mass shooting in that time frame. since that study, western europe has had 1 mass shooting and the US has had 7. The only one in Europe, in Germany, was a religion-based terrorist attack at a mall. Europe as a whole also had a lower fatality rate due to mass shootings than the US did in the time frame, and that's including countries that had civil was in the past twenty years. No way around it, the US has worse gun violence than Europe. End of story. As to policy No one is realistically calling for a gun buyback. Its not really practical with how many are out there and its relative political suicide. People pulling support has more to do with how the NRA finances campaigns and HR moves than upsetting "common" Americans. Every mass shooting in the past three years has used a semi-automatic rifle, and that is a little concerning. In florida, it is easier for an 18-year old to obtain a rifle than a pistol due to the waiting period hand guns have but not rifles. Is that something we should be ok with? Im in favor of a weeklong waiting period. If we think the FBI should have increased power and should be better at their jobs, we need to give them more funding so they aren't overwhelmed with having to track 350 million people. I think the argument that if they didn't have guns they would use other things is dumb. I've spent the last few hours trying to google school machete massacres and its coming up a little empty relative to gun-based actions. Guns make it easy and people wouldn't do it if it wasn't easy. Arming teachers is a terrible idea all it takes is one misfire from a teacher for that to end poorly. Adding armed guards didn't do anything at Fort Hood and won't do anything at schools as long as people can sneak stuff in backpacks or on their person. Adding metal detectors may help but it creates fire hazards. I want research done by the CDC. If you don't trust the CDC when its led by a republican appointee than other research (from colleges that don't have to play by the appointing rules) will have much further left influence on them. If we want nationwide research (with what some of you call left leaning bias) now is the best time to do it. If mental health is really the issue and not guns, lets go see what we can do. [/QUOTE]
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