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WraleighWreck

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Why isn’t the whole play shown from this angle?
 

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forensicbuzz

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CEB said:
I think it WAS targeting.
I just don’t think review was going to get us the call.
I’m not sure spearing is still a penalty… I think with the refining of the targeting rules, spearing is now encompassed within the realm of targeting. In any case, forceable contact with the crown of the helmet is targeting… this was targeting.
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spearing is still a penalty.
 

WraleighWreck

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The dude hit king with the crown initially into the lower part of kings face mask, rode the crown into his neck and cheat and then ball. His entire helmet and neck were bent down with his chin buried in his chest at the end of the play. If that isn’t targeting, I don’t know what is. Mother****er was filmed on sideline sweating it out knowing that he intentionally targeted to make that play. And the announcers never said a goddamned thing about targeting…..ever. And they only showed the end of the play from tha backside that would have totally shown it. I wasn’t too sure until I just rewatched and that whole play definitely was fully glossed over by everyone involved.
 
LongforDodd

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CEB said:
Does it?
I don’t see that but the head is irrelevant. Forceable contact with the crown is the rule… doesn’t matter if contact is to head, back, chest, etc.
If it had snapped back, that would’ve been a clearer indicator.
I don’t think we were going to get that call, even if it had been called on the field. I’d love to see another angle, but there is a reason why we didn’t…
A. No better angle / inconclusive
B. “They” didn’t want us to see another angle

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IDK if this is relevant to the criteria of the penalty but the dwag’s helmet made contact with kings face mask. You could briefly see the back of King’s helmet raise up and that was only from the dwags helmet hitting the lower portion of kings face mask. The old lever thing in action.
 
LongforDodd

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Golden Tornadoes said:
While I 100% agree it was a blown call and clearly targeting, I do remember this year us being introduced to this new nuance where a player can make contact with the crown of the helmet, just as long as he doesn’t launch. Supposedly this is what kept Efford from being ejected at the end of the NCSU game. Again, I’m not sure why that has become a thing this year, but I remember it being said a lot during the Miami game and the Efford hit against NCSU.

While it’s pure conjecture at this point, I feel like that phrase would have been how the $ECheatrefs would have explained it away.
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No, Effords force was not applied dead on straight. It was more glancing.
 

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The SEC refs have been notorious for this sort of game fixing going back into the fifties and maybe beyond. I'm a GT product of the fifties and I well remember them doing it back then except it was in our favor most of the time. That was when Dodd was king, top dog in the conference. I watched them do it in LR Ark for ole miss against the razorbacks at the end of a 1960 game there and many many other times over the years. IMO they have always been the most crooked of all the conference refs. They all make mistakes, but that is not what this is IMO.
There have been things said that I've either heard or they were said directly to me from people in the know that indicate many times it comes down from the conference office before it actually takes place.
In the current cases there is so damn much BIG money involved from the playoffs that has to be playing into it IMO.
 
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reckrider

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Really time to go all Trump on their ***. No playing SeC or B10 without a tariff of only ACC refs. Otherwise they should be forced to play lesser competition. We are the ACC and demand respect.
 

CEB

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forensicbuzz said:
No. Targeting is spearing with forcible action to the head or neck area. Spearing is striking with the crown or the helmet and could be to the belly or the buttocks. Spearing is a penalty used to protect the tackler not the tackled.
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No.
Targeting is ANY forceable contact with the crown of the helmet (aka spearing to us folks who have been watching a while). Emphasis on ANY here… it does NOT require contact to the head. The crown is a 6” radius from the apex of the helmet. Essentially, anything above the facemask and ear holes. If you “forceably” lead that part of the helmet, it’s targeting. No matter where you hit the guy.
Targeting is also any forceable contact to the head or neck of a defenseless player. When a player is defenseless, that contact can be with helmet, hand, shoulder, arm, etc. If you’ve been watching a really long time, the Night Train Lane highlight reel is a tutorial on all things “forceable contact” to the head and neck area.
It’s all ball bearings targeting nowadays.
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TexasGT

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wvGT11 said:
Very good discussion about the officials and replays.
He talks about how the officials did take a look at the targeting play, and the tipped ball. Was told it was "clear" by the conference booth. And he talked about how he could have challenged, but that he knew he would lose the challenge being that they were on the road against opposing conference refs .
On the tipped ball / pi call, he knew right away by looking at the players, it was tipped.

See to me, if coaches even know the odds are stacked to throw a challenge, then we need to fix the bias.
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it always seems like the refs side with the higher ranked teams. Especially, when they’re headed to the playoffs.
 
GoldZ

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wvGT11 said:
Someone else said this, we need to get rid of "conference" refs and go completely neutral.
And I'm not even sure how you do that, because we know there is big money from tv, the conferences to influence the NCAA.
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GoldZ

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GT33 said:
We just need to get so good we literally flatten them beyond all recognition so we can squeak out wins every year. We know we need to beat them by at least 17 pts to have any chance of winning. Problem this year is we only beat them by 14, hence the OT debacle.
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I've said for many decades, we have to beat them by 20 to win by 1.
 
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