Junior College ruling

[senoiajacket]

How a ruling you might have missed could shake up college baseball, MLB draft forever

SEC baseball stars in their late 20s? New draft strategy and revamped minor leagues? Here's how an under-the-radar change could impact the sport.

www.espn.com

This, combined with NIL and xfer portal makes my head spin.

Are Danny and his posse smart enough to play this type of 3D chess?

 

[FredJacket]

How a ruling you might have missed could shake up college baseball, MLB draft forever

SEC baseball stars in their late 20s? New draft strategy and revamped minor leagues? Here's how an under-the-radar change could impact the sport.

www.espn.com

This, combined with NIL and xfer portal makes my head spin.

Are Danny and his posse smart enough to play this type of 3D chess?

The implications here are [potentially] huge. I'm with you... kinda too many variables & different "leverage points" to understand how Ga Tech can optimize an advantage for long-term roster management.

....which is [probably] different from what individual players want/need.

 

[gtbeak]

How a ruling you might have missed could shake up college baseball, MLB draft forever

SEC baseball stars in their late 20s? New draft strategy and revamped minor leagues? Here's how an under-the-radar change could impact the sport.

www.espn.com

This, combined with NIL and xfer portal makes my head spin.

Are Danny and his posse smart enough to play this type of 3D chess?

Hmm, Kiley McDaniel and the coaches he quotes have a different interpretation of the court challenge than I do. I could be wrong, but I don't think the 5 years to play 4 rule is being challenged. I think Pavia challenged the definition of the start of that 5 year period. He contended that JUCO should essentially be counted the same as prep school. His attorney was quoted as saying "They take other athletes [who are playing somewhere outside of high school] and don't hold those seasons against them."

That said, if they are interpreting the ruling correctly, it would basically just make the Covid exemptions a permanent part of the process. And CFDH has shown he knows how to manage that. This past year we had Mathew Ellis (age 24) who basically fit the pattern described in the article. He red-shirted at Tennessee in 2019, played two years of JUCO in 2020 and 2021, then two years at Indiana, before spending his 6th season with us. We also have John Giesler who will be in his 6th season this upcoming season and playing at the age of 24.

So, yes, I think CFDH and CJR are smart enough to play this part of the 3D chess. And they also seem to do OK with the portal. Managing NIL, that remains to be seen.

ETA: My prediction still stands that someone will challenge the rule that you can only play 4 seasons of college athletics. And likely they will win that lawsuit. That rule does more to limit a players ability to make money off of their NIL than the rule about JUCO seasons counting/not counting.

 

[JacketOff]

I personally don’t think this will matter that much for baseball. There will be exceptions to the rule, but if a player spends 2 years at Juco and has 4 years of NCAA eligibility, he will be draft eligible for 7 straight years including his senior year of high school. The better players who start their careers at Jucos will get plucked out of the college system well before they’re ready for their 6th year of college baseball. The only players who will have a large impact on an NCAA team benefitting from an extra 2 years of eligibility will be guys hampered by injuries, or super late bloomers.

You might end up seeing 2-year Juco kids spend 2-3 years at a D2 and/or a mid-major D1 before finally finishing their career at a power school, but for the most part the MLB draft system will wash out the best 5th & 6th year players.

 

[gtbeak]

I personally don’t think this will matter that much for baseball. There will be exceptions to the rule, but if a player spends 2 years at Juco and has 4 years of NCAA eligibility, he will be draft eligible for 7 straight years including his senior year of high school. The better players who start their careers at Jucos will get plucked out of the college system well before they’re ready for their 6th year of college baseball. The only players who will have a large impact on an NCAA team benefitting from an extra 2 years of eligibility will be guys hampered by injuries, or super late bloomers.

You might end up seeing 2-year Juco kids spend 2-3 years at a D2 and/or a mid-major D1 before finally finishing their career at a power school, but for the most part the MLB draft system will wash out the best 5th & 6th year players.

Mostly agree. Where it might come into play is with players who aren't professional baseball caliber but are still decent college players, and simultaneously are enough of a diamond rat that they don't mind playing 2 years at a JUCO. It would mean that Matthew Ellis would still have one year of eligibility remaining. Take someone like Cam Jones...would he have been willing to move down to JUCO for two years after the 2022 season at Georgia State so that he would still have 2 more seasons of eligibility at somewhere like Georgia Tech, earning some NIL? Likely (he is playing Indy ball now), but the 3D chess would be on his part, not on a coach somewhere.

 

[78pike]

There has to be a limit of 4 years as a college player whether it be D1 or D2 or whatever. If you don't want to count JUCO years that's fine. But there has to be a limit. We can't get to the point where we have guys playing college ball into their 30's using NIL like a salary. Plus there is the whole argument of younger players lining up against grown men upping the chances for injuries. What I really worry about is the effect on high school recruitment. Depending on the sport are we driving kids away from getting true high school educations and instead they end up going to these athletic academies that are essentially just HS diploma mills training them for college scholarships. I can see some coaches now encouraging kids to go the JUCO route and building up their skills and bodies so that they are starting their 4 years in college in their 20's instead of 18 year olds.

 

[FredJacket]

What if you're a 18 yo married father... who can do calculus at a moderate level. Oh... almost forgot... can throw strikes at 90+ mph. ... & a pretty wicked slider but needs a little help developing the change.

Can't be a max (full-time) student but willing to do the minimum hrs if it means he can make some [NIL] $$ ... do school ... & work at his uncle's construction company to support the family.

Might take more than 4 years of JUCO/college. ... & that guy shouldn't lose his opportunity to be compensated based on "traditional" 4-yr college kid's schedule.

I "think" the courts agree.

 

[GT33]

At least these career Juco players aren't sleeping on Granny's couch getting all soft on us. They're pulling in $20-500K a year, maybe more, and we get to watch what's essentially minor league baseball.

Next step is our Sports GM will be hiring staff for all the major sports plus 1-2 to run the minor ones. I think when this is all runs its course, we'll have a roster full of $100-250k/yr bench players, $500k starters with a handful of $1-5M/yr superstar starters. Beesball GM is going to need to generate and manage a roster budget of about $30-50M/yr to get us competitive in Beesball on top of staff and regular expenses. On its own, it's going to be equivalent to running a small business just by itself.

Somebody's going to have to pay so be prepared to open your wallets and/or monetize everything in sight.