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<blockquote data-quote="33jacket" data-source="post: 186325" data-attributes="member: 628"><p>you can run multiple schemes and execute the same plays. We can run our typical options...and zone them. By the same token, so we "don't tip off the defense on pass vs run" we can zone block certain run plays, and then use the same zone scheme in pass pro. Right now, we typically block with 6. 5 OL and one RB, typically the BB but sometimes a AB. If you notice, defenses now predict this, attack our blocking scheme. They will overload a side knowing our OL typically are assigned a man, vs shift and zone and hand off. Secondly, they know they get a free rusher every time if they bring 6. Or almost everytime, and have a rusher vs our BB, who rarely blocks well and almost always blocks on the backside of the play as a cut block. And he typically is assigned to the backside DE. And the DE typically wins.</p><p></p><p>and, we can still block many of our run plays as we always have. We just simply put more zone in across the board. Not every play, but more than today, and create pass pro friendly schemes off it.</p><p></p><p>I have broken down so much of our pass pro schemes I can now predict it almost everytime. Its VERY simple and totally dependent on a successful run game and relatively short yardage situations that still threat the run. Since its hard to attack the line in pass rushing and be sound in the option run game, defenses have to sit back a tad more when the run is still a threat; then the pass pro we emply is ok. Adequate enough. However, in 1 min or 2 min drills, or obvious passing downs, more times than not its a disaster.</p><p></p><p>Why?</p><p>It frequently has a running back, who is smaller and not skilled enough, blocking a DE one on one. This is ok once and a while, but its a key to us.</p><p>It uses a formation call with wider splits and 3 pt stances that automatically make the OL have to move more in space at snap to pick up a rusher, than a tighter formation allowing the guards and tackles in 2 pt stances.</p><p>Typically, we try not to pass off much, so if you overload a side and there is no one there, you will often not see a proper line call to shift the pass protection. Go watch tape on overloaded blitzes...almost always someone free with no blocker. It looks like a jail break.</p><p>We never put in a true TE. We do have a AB lined up as a TE, often overwhelmed with the size speed of the rusher. Again, if you on occasion infused a TE, it helps pass pro.</p><p>In a zone scheme how you form a pocket and protect, with tighter splits, you call the MLB and the line makes a blocking call off that. How they slide and who gets who. You block from inside out. You make sure all inside rushers are taken first, and if you HAVE to let one go its the outside guy while your QB steps up. how often do you see the inside rusher break free while we block the outside guy? Happens a ton. We don't shift protection. We just set up....we are VERY basic in pass pro.</p><p></p><p>Now you shift to a zone scheme, on occasion, for runs...it looks similar to the pass pro stances, but you run the option by zoning. The Center doesnt' dive at the tackles knees. He hits him up and stays, or waits for the backside guard to take that tackle, before the center, on his feet, attacks the MLB. the playside guard seals the playside tackle or if the playside is an end, we option off the end and that guard goes to the S or OLB, and the tackle chips and does the same. This is a simple zone blocked run...but the key is OL stays on their feet...and the backside OT cuts his end....Now, this is VERY similar to how we block many of our run plays, with the differences being how the center is assigned, how the guard helps, and the OL is allowed to align in 2 point so they don't have to lift up to run.</p><p></p><p>I would do this much more and create pass pro off of it. Often in our pass pro, our OL attack the DL pretending it looks like a run, well, if its obviously not a run situation, this is a disaster. There is a reason, in pass pro, everywhere, OL sit back and absorb....</p><p></p><p>So there are many reasons our passing game is so basic. This is one. But really its so much based off playaction and the run game that its almost useless as a pass game. These techniques for the OL are used by the NFL...so we can translate and advertise that better. We are so biased to the run game...and thats fine...we can still run it 75% of the time. But you can do it with more friendly schemes that translate to better pass pro techniques.</p><p></p><p>people need to realize, there is no single solution in football....you can do alot of the same things different ways and be successful. You can block and run our option a few different ways. Paul chooses his. It has its benefits and faults. I think for our level of league play, and OL size it isn't a great match most of the time. Historically, this is true. Sure, we can have a year where we hit a stride and it all looks good like last year. But lets face it. 5 out of 6 its a struggle on the OL. So for me tweaking the system is what we should do...</p><p></p><p>its also why I think certain D's work at tech and others don't scheme wise, it goes back again to the kid we recruit and have....we are cerebral...we need more complexity and aggression, vs trying to win simply, with physical prowess taking over and winning vs thought and calculated risk taking</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="33jacket, post: 186325, member: 628"] you can run multiple schemes and execute the same plays. We can run our typical options...and zone them. By the same token, so we "don't tip off the defense on pass vs run" we can zone block certain run plays, and then use the same zone scheme in pass pro. Right now, we typically block with 6. 5 OL and one RB, typically the BB but sometimes a AB. If you notice, defenses now predict this, attack our blocking scheme. They will overload a side knowing our OL typically are assigned a man, vs shift and zone and hand off. Secondly, they know they get a free rusher every time if they bring 6. Or almost everytime, and have a rusher vs our BB, who rarely blocks well and almost always blocks on the backside of the play as a cut block. And he typically is assigned to the backside DE. And the DE typically wins. and, we can still block many of our run plays as we always have. We just simply put more zone in across the board. Not every play, but more than today, and create pass pro friendly schemes off it. I have broken down so much of our pass pro schemes I can now predict it almost everytime. Its VERY simple and totally dependent on a successful run game and relatively short yardage situations that still threat the run. Since its hard to attack the line in pass rushing and be sound in the option run game, defenses have to sit back a tad more when the run is still a threat; then the pass pro we emply is ok. Adequate enough. However, in 1 min or 2 min drills, or obvious passing downs, more times than not its a disaster. Why? It frequently has a running back, who is smaller and not skilled enough, blocking a DE one on one. This is ok once and a while, but its a key to us. It uses a formation call with wider splits and 3 pt stances that automatically make the OL have to move more in space at snap to pick up a rusher, than a tighter formation allowing the guards and tackles in 2 pt stances. Typically, we try not to pass off much, so if you overload a side and there is no one there, you will often not see a proper line call to shift the pass protection. Go watch tape on overloaded blitzes...almost always someone free with no blocker. It looks like a jail break. We never put in a true TE. We do have a AB lined up as a TE, often overwhelmed with the size speed of the rusher. Again, if you on occasion infused a TE, it helps pass pro. In a zone scheme how you form a pocket and protect, with tighter splits, you call the MLB and the line makes a blocking call off that. How they slide and who gets who. You block from inside out. You make sure all inside rushers are taken first, and if you HAVE to let one go its the outside guy while your QB steps up. how often do you see the inside rusher break free while we block the outside guy? Happens a ton. We don't shift protection. We just set up....we are VERY basic in pass pro. Now you shift to a zone scheme, on occasion, for runs...it looks similar to the pass pro stances, but you run the option by zoning. The Center doesnt' dive at the tackles knees. He hits him up and stays, or waits for the backside guard to take that tackle, before the center, on his feet, attacks the MLB. the playside guard seals the playside tackle or if the playside is an end, we option off the end and that guard goes to the S or OLB, and the tackle chips and does the same. This is a simple zone blocked run...but the key is OL stays on their feet...and the backside OT cuts his end....Now, this is VERY similar to how we block many of our run plays, with the differences being how the center is assigned, how the guard helps, and the OL is allowed to align in 2 point so they don't have to lift up to run. I would do this much more and create pass pro off of it. Often in our pass pro, our OL attack the DL pretending it looks like a run, well, if its obviously not a run situation, this is a disaster. There is a reason, in pass pro, everywhere, OL sit back and absorb.... So there are many reasons our passing game is so basic. This is one. But really its so much based off playaction and the run game that its almost useless as a pass game. These techniques for the OL are used by the NFL...so we can translate and advertise that better. We are so biased to the run game...and thats fine...we can still run it 75% of the time. But you can do it with more friendly schemes that translate to better pass pro techniques. people need to realize, there is no single solution in football....you can do alot of the same things different ways and be successful. You can block and run our option a few different ways. Paul chooses his. It has its benefits and faults. I think for our level of league play, and OL size it isn't a great match most of the time. Historically, this is true. Sure, we can have a year where we hit a stride and it all looks good like last year. But lets face it. 5 out of 6 its a struggle on the OL. So for me tweaking the system is what we should do... its also why I think certain D's work at tech and others don't scheme wise, it goes back again to the kid we recruit and have....we are cerebral...we need more complexity and aggression, vs trying to win simply, with physical prowess taking over and winning vs thought and calculated risk taking [/QUOTE]
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