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<blockquote data-quote="JacketOff" data-source="post: 723867" data-attributes="member: 4572"><p><p>I don’t think anybody expects, or wants to go through another year of QB musical chairs. I think what [USER=4334]@SOWEGA Jacket[/USER] is trying to say is that there isn’t an established “guy” right now, and that this upcoming season will he used to figure out who that guy is. His initial response was about saving the redshirt years for the freshman, and he said that hopefully that would be unnecessary because one of them had won the job. Graham, the returning starter, had a completion percentage of 45.1% and only 12 TDs to 7INTs. Yates only completed 4 of his 12 pass attempts. Now, obviously those numbers aren’t totally the fault of the QB, but they still aren’t good. If Sims or Gleason outplay Graham, who can be presumed to start week 1, and Yates, there’s absolutely no need to redshirt them. Even if it’s going to “waste” a year of their eligibility for a bad team, getting as many game reps as possible is much more important for long term success than saving a year down the road. </p><p></p><p>I also believe you took his statement a bit out of context with the new recruits coming in every year, and everybody having to earn their spot every year. He made the comparison to Fields and UGA because Fields was the more talented player, but didn’t earn the job because Kirby wanted continuity with Fromm. Graham is going to start this year, but what we don’t want to happen is one of the frosh to be better than him but not earn the spot and end up transferring out. What happened at Clemson between Kelly Bryant and Trevor Lawrence is almost the exact opposite of how the UGA situation played out, and you see how it worked out for them. </p><p></p><p>On an unrelated note, I had been thinking about this with the higher talent levels Tech has in the QB room. Joe Hamilton was the last Georgia Tech QB drafted, all the way back in 2000. Obviously when you run the TO for 11 years it’s a bit harder to develop NFL caliber QBs, but the point still stands, and it’s a bit embarrassing considering the talent pool that surrounds the Institute. Here’s how some of our rivals compare with QB drafts since 2000</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">UNC: 2 drafted (TJ Yates 2011, Mitch Trubisky 2017</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Duke: 2 drafted (Sean Renfree 2013, Daniel Jones 2019)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Miami: 2 drafted (Ken Dorsey 2003, Brad Kaaya 2016)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Virginia: 1 drafted (Matt Schaub 2004)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Virginia Tech: 3 drafted (Michael Vick 2001, Tyrod Taylor 2011, Logan Thomas 2014)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Pitt: 2 drafted (Tom Savage 2014, Nathan Peterman 2017)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Clemson: 3 drafted (Charlie Whitehurst 2006, Tahj Boyd 2014, Deshaun Watson 2017)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Georgia: 5 drafted (Quincy Carter 2001, David Greene 2005, DJ Shockley 2006, Mathew Stafford 2009, Aaron Murray 2014, Jake Fromm 2019)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Florida State: 5 drafted (Chris Weinke 2001, Adrian Mcpherson 2005, Christian Ponder 2011, EJ Manuel 2013, Jameis Winston 2015)</li> </ul><p>And just for fun, here’s some teams I wouldn’t call rivals (at least anymore) but who we are competing for recruits against. </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Auburn: 3 drafted: (Jason Campbell 2005, Cam Newton 2011, Jarrett Stidham 2019)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Florida: 3 drafted (Jesse Palmer 2001, Rex Grossman 2003, Tim Tebow 2010)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Louisville: 6 drafted (Chris Redman 2000, Dave Ragone 2003, Stefan Lefors 2005, Brian Brohm 2008, Teddy Bridgewater 2014, Lamar Jackson 2018)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">NC State: 4 drafted (Phillip Rivers 2004, Mike Glennon 2013, Jacoby Brissett 2016, Ryan Finley 2019)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Tennessee: 4 drafted (Tee Martin 2000, Erik Ainge 2008, Jonathan Crompton 2010, Josh Dobbs 2017)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Stanford: 5 drafted (Todd Husak 2000, Randy Fasani 2002, Trent Edwards 2007, Andrew Luck 2012, Kevin Hogan 2016)</li> </ul><p>So it seems like there’s at least a decent amount of correlation between QBs getting drafted and overall program success. It’s obviously not a foolproof barometer, but generally the more QBs you get drafted the better your program is. You can also just look at the years these guys were drafted, and most of those programs were top tier while all of these guys they were there. Hopefully getting away from the TO and attracting more talent will help draw some NFL caliber QBs to Tech, and we can develop them even further. It should be very reasonable to have a QB get drafted every 2-3 QB generations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JacketOff, post: 723867, member: 4572"] [LIST=1] [*][/LIST] I don’t think anybody expects, or wants to go through another year of QB musical chairs. I think what [USER=4334]@SOWEGA Jacket[/USER] is trying to say is that there isn’t an established “guy” right now, and that this upcoming season will he used to figure out who that guy is. His initial response was about saving the redshirt years for the freshman, and he said that hopefully that would be unnecessary because one of them had won the job. Graham, the returning starter, had a completion percentage of 45.1% and only 12 TDs to 7INTs. Yates only completed 4 of his 12 pass attempts. Now, obviously those numbers aren’t totally the fault of the QB, but they still aren’t good. If Sims or Gleason outplay Graham, who can be presumed to start week 1, and Yates, there’s absolutely no need to redshirt them. Even if it’s going to “waste” a year of their eligibility for a bad team, getting as many game reps as possible is much more important for long term success than saving a year down the road. I also believe you took his statement a bit out of context with the new recruits coming in every year, and everybody having to earn their spot every year. He made the comparison to Fields and UGA because Fields was the more talented player, but didn’t earn the job because Kirby wanted continuity with Fromm. Graham is going to start this year, but what we don’t want to happen is one of the frosh to be better than him but not earn the spot and end up transferring out. What happened at Clemson between Kelly Bryant and Trevor Lawrence is almost the exact opposite of how the UGA situation played out, and you see how it worked out for them. On an unrelated note, I had been thinking about this with the higher talent levels Tech has in the QB room. Joe Hamilton was the last Georgia Tech QB drafted, all the way back in 2000. Obviously when you run the TO for 11 years it’s a bit harder to develop NFL caliber QBs, but the point still stands, and it’s a bit embarrassing considering the talent pool that surrounds the Institute. Here’s how some of our rivals compare with QB drafts since 2000 [LIST] [*]UNC: 2 drafted (TJ Yates 2011, Mitch Trubisky 2017 [*]Duke: 2 drafted (Sean Renfree 2013, Daniel Jones 2019) [*]Miami: 2 drafted (Ken Dorsey 2003, Brad Kaaya 2016) [*]Virginia: 1 drafted (Matt Schaub 2004) [*]Virginia Tech: 3 drafted (Michael Vick 2001, Tyrod Taylor 2011, Logan Thomas 2014) [*]Pitt: 2 drafted (Tom Savage 2014, Nathan Peterman 2017) [*]Clemson: 3 drafted (Charlie Whitehurst 2006, Tahj Boyd 2014, Deshaun Watson 2017) [*]Georgia: 5 drafted (Quincy Carter 2001, David Greene 2005, DJ Shockley 2006, Mathew Stafford 2009, Aaron Murray 2014, Jake Fromm 2019) [*]Florida State: 5 drafted (Chris Weinke 2001, Adrian Mcpherson 2005, Christian Ponder 2011, EJ Manuel 2013, Jameis Winston 2015) [/LIST] And just for fun, here’s some teams I wouldn’t call rivals (at least anymore) but who we are competing for recruits against. [LIST] [*]Auburn: 3 drafted: (Jason Campbell 2005, Cam Newton 2011, Jarrett Stidham 2019) [*]Florida: 3 drafted (Jesse Palmer 2001, Rex Grossman 2003, Tim Tebow 2010) [*]Louisville: 6 drafted (Chris Redman 2000, Dave Ragone 2003, Stefan Lefors 2005, Brian Brohm 2008, Teddy Bridgewater 2014, Lamar Jackson 2018) [*]NC State: 4 drafted (Phillip Rivers 2004, Mike Glennon 2013, Jacoby Brissett 2016, Ryan Finley 2019) [*]Tennessee: 4 drafted (Tee Martin 2000, Erik Ainge 2008, Jonathan Crompton 2010, Josh Dobbs 2017) [*]Stanford: 5 drafted (Todd Husak 2000, Randy Fasani 2002, Trent Edwards 2007, Andrew Luck 2012, Kevin Hogan 2016) [/LIST] So it seems like there’s at least a decent amount of correlation between QBs getting drafted and overall program success. It’s obviously not a foolproof barometer, but generally the more QBs you get drafted the better your program is. You can also just look at the years these guys were drafted, and most of those programs were top tier while all of these guys they were there. Hopefully getting away from the TO and attracting more talent will help draw some NFL caliber QBs to Tech, and we can develop them even further. It should be very reasonable to have a QB get drafted every 2-3 QB generations. [/QUOTE]
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