Is this targeting?

[Augusta_Jacket]

A review would have been nice. Still it 100% looked like Efford Targeted last week. I have doubts a review would have done anything. Targeting calls are so inconsistent it’s nuts to try and predict if it is/is not Targeting.

Not surprised that you take that stance. Efford's hit did look like targeting in real time. He was flagged for it. Review overturned it. That's how it's supposed to work. We didn't get the review last night for what clearly looks like targeting, even to non-GT fans. That's the point I was making, and it stands.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Dave,

I agree with you.
In no way possible should a conference team hosting a game should be allowed to have their conference referees for the game.

That is a recipe for chicanery.

I've said for years that game officials should be provided by the NCAA and not conferences at all.

 

[4shotB]

I've said for years that game officials should be provided by the NCAA and not conferences at all.

This assumes a level of integrity and partiality from the NCAA that most, if not all, of us believe does not exist. Unfortunately. And also why we are where we are today.

 

[Techcaster572]

The problem with finding a crew that is impartial is next to impossible. Ncaa or not.
You could have a pee wee football game of Forsyth v Cobb All Stars and if the refs all lived in Cobb County....You'd have to wonder.

Always an agenda.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

I have a stupid question. I know it's probably stupid, but I'll ask anyway - If targeting had been called, would that have negated the fumble?

Yes. It nullifies the play and gives a 15 yard penalty plus first down.

 

[kg01]

Fans of all teams blame the officials. They never comment on the plays the officials call/don’t call that favor GT or their team.

Did you cry foul last week on the non Targeting call on Efford? It met every definition that has been posted on this site and was important in our win over NCST.

Yep. Do your homework, fam. Don't assume and paint with broad bushes.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Not surprised that you take that stance. Efford's hit did look like targeting in real time. He was flagged for it. Review overturned it. That's how it's supposed to work. We didn't get the review last night for what clearly looks like targeting, even to non-GT fans. That's the point I was making, and it stands.

Yep, I would have felt better with a review. Just ignoring it raises red flags. If they give an explanation for a no call we can still disagree with the call but it feels like at least some order is maintained in the sport since we have an official explanation for the ruling. “Oh, I see why they called it that way; I disagree, but I understand the call now.”

 

[Tom]

The problem with finding a crew that is impartial is next to impossible. Ncaa or not.
You could have a pee wee football game of Forsyth v Cobb All Stars and if the refs all lived in Cobb County....You'd have to wonder.

Always an agenda.

Is that sarcasm? Or are you just saying fans can always see an agenda if they want to? Cause I really hope you don’t believe there are no impartial refs no matter the level. Sets up a toxic mindset and environment for the refs at all levels if that is to be believed. And sports always need more refs as is

 

[forensicbuzz]

Fans of all teams blame the officials. They never comment on the plays the officials call/don’t call that favor GT or their team.

Did you cry foul last week on the non Targeting call on Efford? It met every definition that has been posted on this site and was important in our win over NCST.

No it didn’t. The crown of the helmet is the top 6 inches. Efford did not strike with the crown of the helmet.

 

[bobongo]

Is that sarcasm? Or are you just saying fans can always see an agenda if they want to? Cause I really hope you don’t believe there are no impartial refs no matter the level. Sets up a toxic mindset and environment for the refs at all levels if that is to be believed. And sports always need more refs as is

I don't believe there are very many intentionally biased refs. There are of course a few, because nothing in life is clear of crookedness.
But for the most part, refs are disinterested arbiters of various competencies.

 

[Root4GT]

No it didn’t. The crown of the helmet is the top 6 inches. Efford did not strike with the crown of the helmet.

That is a minutia debate. Is it what hits the offensive player first or is it impact at any point? That is unclear. Do you know for sure?

 

[1979jacket]

It looked like targeting. smelled like targeting but after reading this stuff, I'm not sure I know what targeting is anymore. Thought I did at one time. Targeting has become so subjective I don't know if it was or wasn't but I am surprised of no review.

 

[forensicbuzz]

This year, the targeting rule changed. For it to be targeting now, it has to be spearing to the head or neck area, Just helmet-to-helmet contact is not targeting, nor is the top Of the facemask. It is the top 6” diameter circle looking down on the helmet.

 

[iceeater1969]

I don't believe there are very many intentionally biased refs. There are of course a few, because nothing in life is clear of crookedness.
But for the most part, refs are disinterested arbiters of various competencies.

The basis for stopping spearing also includes the safety of the guy doing the spearing.
Players are still taught to spear the ball .

Any helmet contact when spearing guy is looking down AND NOT LOOKING AT CONTACT POINT IS SPEARING.

Simple is as simple does.

Also if you look down while tackling the rb usually runs by you.

 

[stinger78]

It looked like targeting. smelled like targeting but after reading this stuff, I'm not sure I know what targeting is anymore. Thought I did at one time. Targeting has become so subjective I don't know if it was or wasn't but I am surprised of no review.

Your eyes and sense of smell are good. It was as clear a targeting as I have ever seen.

Google “Skalski targeting” and look at the ejection for his hit on tOSU QB Justin Fields about 5 years ago in the CFP. You’ll see an almost identical hit, except Jackson’s last night was in the upper chest/face mask area. Both hits are almost identical.

 

[forensicbuzz]

That is a minutia debate. Is it what hits the offensive player first or is it impact at any point? That is unclear. Do you know for sure?

My understanding it’s spearing to the head or neck-area, Which means if your facemask is up, it will never be targeting.

 

[stinger78]

This year, the targeting rule changed. For it to be targeting now, it has to be spearing to the head or neck area, Just helmet-to-helmet contact is not targeting, nor is the top Of the facemask. It is the top 6” diameter circle looking down on the helmet.

So are you saying it was or wasn’t targeting?

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

That is a minutia debate. Is it what hits the offensive player first or is it impact at any point? That is unclear. Do you know for sure?

The crown of the helmet has been defined by the NCAA as the 6 inch radius from the top of the helmet.

What is the targeting rule in college football?

The NCAA rulebook is extensive and complicated. Here's a look at the targeting rule in college football and how it's enforced.

www.espn.com

The NCAA's definition of "crown of the helmet" has been updated since 2022. It is now defined as "the top segment of the helmet; namely, the circular area defined by a 6-inch radius from the apex (top) of the helmet."

 

[Root4GT]

My understanding it’s spearing to the head or neck-area, Which means if your facemask is up, it will never be targeting.

The issue is are the rules officiated the same throughout all colllege football conferences? It seems they are not. Are the officiated consistently within conferences it seems not. Are games officiated consistently, to a point at best.

Targeting is a hard call in many instances and very easy in other instances.

I doubt it ever becomes consistent as PI and Holding have never become consistent.

 

[Bogey]

I have a friend who is a huge Ohio State fan. I asked him if there were any controversial calls/no calls in their close loss to Michigan today. He answered no controversies at all except the flag planting at the end of the game. Amazing.